ODB Defaced in Bed Stuy

odb-defaced-0309.jpgThe Ol’ Dirty Bastard mural at the corner of Putnam and Franklin Avenues (originally painted by Vic Goldfeld for a documentary) was already repainted once after first being defaced in 2007; now, according to Bed Stuy Banana, it’s been defaced again: His face and the “Bastard” part of his name were painted over recently. “Angry church lady?” wonders BSB. “Or just not a hip hop fan?” GMAP

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  • I remember the Asshat was putting that garbage up and people was walking by saying “that doesn’t look like ODB”! That thing needs to come down. It’s more of a caricature then a painting. That’s why it’s being defaced…

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end…

  • Wasn’t he from Staten Island anyway? Or am I confusing him with one of the other 9,000 members of Wu Tang??

  • I’d have to file this one under “who cares?”, frankly.

    Can we raise up some better role models for our kids to emulate, instead of a foul mouthed rapper with thirteen children, who’s dead from an overdose? I don’t see the attraction.

  • Method Man is from Staten Island

  • MM, don’t forget the time he appeared on MTV allowing their cameras to film him collecting food stamps and a welfare check while he was earning millions with Wu Tang. He rode to the welfare office in a limo talking about how rich he is. That was another shining moment in ‘role model’ history. :(

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9NmgcAKW0w

  • From the video I’m wondering how he ever made any money singing!!!!!!

  • ODB was from the fort greene projects

    I think his mom lives in park slope now.

  • This is not hip hop

  • he never claimed to be a role model. he was who he was. people who listen to rap arent looking for role models. i love rap myself, but mostly only female rap… trina, foxy, lil kim, lady of rage, northern state (tho those are white chicks but they are still good). he was however one of the fugliest mofo’s alive.

    *rob*

  • I think a lot of people don’t set out to be role models these days, but unfortunately, a lot of younger people, for a multitude of reasons, wind up looking to people like him for someone to emulate.

  • Like MM said, he wasn’t any realistic role model for any form of social responsibility. In a way, it’s amazing he lived as long as he did. I recall police shot at him once in East New York, but didn’t wound him, apparently. From a strict musical sense, he had a distinct MC persona, among the few unmistakably recognizable of the “other 9,000 members of Wu Tang” as Snappy would say.

  • “Can we raise up some better role models for our kids to emulate, instead of a foul mouthed rapper with thirteen children, who’s dead from an overdose? I don’t see the attraction.”

    Miles Davis was a Heroin addict. I don’t hear people making those comments about him.

    “MM, don’t forget the time he appeared on MTV allowing their cameras to film him collecting food stamps and a welfare check while he was earning millions with Wu Tang.”

    You are a Lawyer right? Go read his contract with that Record Company and see where OLD was earning “millions’. The 80′s and 90′s Rappers had slave contracts and would not recive a dime until the third album.

    This is not hip hop

    Then what the F** is it??

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQmn_yFLV-I

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end..

  • Record companies are loan sharks. And Northern State are an abomination unto hip hop, popular music, ladydom.

  • northern state rocks! you stop it hahahahahah. if anything they are just as cheesy and faux as the beastie boys.

    *rob*

  • Why are putting entertainment and role model in the same sentence? I know it’s inevitable and young people will look up to anyone in the public eye, but it still bothers me that entertainers are automatically judged for their role-model-ness.

    ODB was not making millions!!! Most musicians make their real money solely from touring.

    Rob,

    I am not a fan of Northern State or any of the other female mc’s you named, but I will step off the soap box. I would reccomend that you check out Jean Grae, one of the best rappers ever (no rampant vamped out sex imagery) and if you need a white-girl fix, try Invincible (gets political, but very good). You might also like Bahamadia.

  • There were plenty of people making comments about Miles’ addiction back in the day, as you well know, what. In fact, much of mainstream American thought all jazz musicians, black and white, but especially black, were drug addicts. Didn’t help that quite a few were, including many of the best, and now, most famous and influential.

    They were musical geniuses, but they weren’t great role models. That’s just a fact of life. It doesn’t mean we have to continue the grand tradition.

  • Hey What,

    Did you hear about Tribe Called Quest’s contract? They made something like $200 each for Low End Theory AFTER it went Platinum.

  • For me it’s a lot about how good looking they are. ODB is probably the worst. Now T.I., that’s another story :)

  • defaced? more like a proper start at covering up that entire mural. keep going till its gone.

  • “I’d have to file this one under “who cares?”, frankly.

    Can we raise up some better role models for our kids to emulate, instead of a foul mouthed rapper with thirteen children, who’s dead from an overdose? I don’t see the attraction.”

    M Morris, why don’t you just go back to the suburbs…

  • thanks troy i will look into them :)

    *rob*

  • cornerbodega, as usual, adds nothing to the discussion. L-)

  • Ok, I don’t know for a fact that he made millions, but he was making money. Enough money that he was in fact ineligible for those benefits and enough for NY to come after him and make him pay back the benefits he received. Done.

    I know that musicians/rappers aren’t supposed to be role models but that does not change the fact that to many young people they are.

  • I never came from, or lived in the suburbs, cornerbodega. What’s your excuse?

  • “Every particle was diabolical down to the last visible molecule.”

  • “Did you hear about Tribe Called Quest’s contract? They made something like $200 each for Low End Theory AFTER it went Platinum.”

    I have friends who work in the music business. In fact one of my good friend has produced hit records and worked in A&R. The music contract is one of the most oppressive things in contract law. You give up your work, masters and creative expression for a car rental.

    Look at TLC Music contract with Laface records and Pebbles (former music singer). They had to go court to break that contract and they was offered commercial but the record company did not tell them. TCL in 1995 the album “Waterfalls” made millions but they had to spilt 900k between them. Laface and Peeebles racked in millions!

    If you get a chance please watch VH1′s Behind the music on ODB. He was sentenced to 4 years in State prison for having 1 gram of Cocaine but Robert Downey Jr was given probation and drug treatment. This why I rail against the Mind F*** of Brownstoner!

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end…

  • “Northern State”
    “Jean Grae”
    “Invincible”

    Never heard of them.

    “Beastie Boys”

    Legitimate.

  • What’s right…most musicians have no idea what they are getting into wrt agents, contracts, etc. If they are not educated well enough to seek out real legal representation they usually get screwed.

    The same goes for the way their money is managed after they begin to make some. This holds true for many sports figures as well. Its reallty a shame.

  • What, you are correct that an injustice exists regarding the treatment of ODB vs. Robert “perpetual crack-head” Downey Jr., but what has that got to do with B’Stoner? Serious question.

  • Brooklyn Zoo

    I’m the one-man army ace on,
    I’ve never been tooken out,
    I keep M.C.’s lookin’ out.
    I drop science like Cosby drops the babies,
    Enough to make a ni**a go cra-a-azy.
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    Your ass thought you were better than,
    Hey son, I keep planets in orbit,
    While I be comin’ with deeper and more shit!
    Enough to make and bake and shake your ass as I create rhymes good as a tasty cake makes.
    This style, I’m mastered in,
    Ni**as catchin’ headaches, what, what – you need aspirin?
    This type of pain, you couldn’t even kill with Midol,
    F**k around get sprayed with Lysol.
    In your face like a can of mace, baby,
    Is it burnin? Well, f**k it, now you’re learnin!
    How, I don’t even like your motherfuckin’ profile,
    Give me my f**kin’ s**t, (Ch-ch…plow!)
    Not seen and heard, no one knows, you forget,
    Ni**as be quiet as kept,
    Now you know nuthin’, before you knew a whole fu**in’ lot,
    Your a** don’t wanna get shot,
    A lot of M.C.’s came through my showdown,
    To watch me put your f**kin’ a** lo-o-ow down,
    As you can go, below zero, without a doubt I’ve never been tooken out,
    By a ni**a, who couldn’t figure, yo by a ni**a, who couldn’t figure,
    Yo by a ni**a, who couldn’t figure, how to pull a fu**in’ gun trigger,
    Get the fu** outta here!
    Ni**a wanna get too close, to the upmost,
    But I got stacks that’ll attack any wack host,
    “Introducin’, yo f**k that ni**a’s name,”
    My hip-hop drops on your head like ra-a-ain,
    And when it ra-a-ains it pours, cause my rhyme’s hardcore,
    That’s why I give you more of the raw,
    Talent that I got will riz-ock the spot,
    M.C.’s I be bur-r-rnin’, bur-r-rnin’ hot,
    Woah ho ho! Hit me like slow-mo with the flow,
    If I move too quick, oh, you just won’t know,
    I’m homicidal when you enter the target,
    Ni**a get up, act like a pig tryin to hog shit,
    So I take yo a** out quick, the mics I had my ni**a,
    You can suck my d**k,
    If you wanna step to my motherf**kin’ wreck,
    (Ch-ch plow! plow! plow!) blown to death,
    You got shot cause you knock knock knock,
    “Who’s there?” Another motherf**kin’ hardrock,
    Slackin’ on your back cause raw’s what you lack,
    You wanna react? Bring it on back…

    Shame on You, when you step through to, the Ol’ Dirty Bastard,
    Brooklyn Zoo! (X5)

    Shame on ya…

  • it’s funny when what breaks out of his tired routine and actually adds something of substance to a conversation. you should do that more often what you bring an interesting perspective to a lot of conversations but you botch it up so badly with your… eh i cant think of the right word.

    *rob*

  • “What, you are correct that an injustice exists regarding the treatment of ODB vs. Robert “perpetual crack-head” Downey Jr., but what has that got to do with B’Stoner? Serious question.”

    The same Covert Race/Class warfare that is in our society is right here, Dumbass! Please read my first post, that painting (Or whatever you call it) is a Caricature and the person(s) responsible for painting over it are heros! It should come down and BTW the paint was put there for a documentary on ODB’s life. This was at the beginning of the Asshat invasion..

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end..

  • What, your commentary might be worthwhile if you had a clue. ODB arrested in NY which has the Rockefeller drug laws, and Downey arrested in a state that does not have them. But don’t worry about that, its easier to chalk up everything to racism, covert class warfare and people buying brownstones in Clinton Hill rather than think for 5 minutes about what you are saying. Your dribble-mouthed nonsense distracts from real race issues in sentencing.

  • Never been a fan of rappers. I despise them all…Vanilla Ice Milk too.
    Hate the various murals that are on the walls in the nabe…especially those that espouse negative stereotypes.

    So who/what should we put in its place to support gentrification?

    An ad for half million dollar condos that many people in the nabe can’t afford? or an ad for rentals @ $3,000.00 a pop something else many who live in the nabe can’t support?

    In each case, the signs are annoying.

  • Well The Who weren’t exactly role models either were they? Smashing up property, pedophilia..

  • Released from jail on $5,000 bail. [2 August 2000]

    Released from jail to complete his six-month jail sentence at a drug rehabilitation center. Downey caused a stir when he was freed to work on a movie. [31 March 1998]

    He got into fight with another inmate at the Los Angeles County Jail, where he was serving time for a probation violation, and was treated for a cut over his nose. [13 February 1998]

    Jailed for 180 days for violating probation. [December 1997]

    Probation revoked after continued drug use. [17 October 1997]

    Remanded to a secure drug rehabilitation center. [August 1996]

    During traffic stop for speeding, he was arrested for drunk driving, possession of heroin, and possession of an unloaded pistol in his pickup truck. This was his first reported brush with the law at age 31. He was given a suspended prison sentence of 3 years, and granted probation with requirements of random drug testing and drug counselling. [August 1996]

    So much for Downey’s “special” treatment

  • The Who were pedophiles????? Do I need to delete my digital copy of Baba O’Reilly in protest???

  • “t don’t worry about that, its easier to chalk up everything to racism, covert class warfare and people buying brownstones in Clinton Hill rather than think for 5 minutes about what you are saying.”

    Out of everyone you always come behind me with some crap Ditto. Yapping like a little dog!

    I live in America (Remember Slavery) these issues will never go away and I will not stop speaking about them. So I guess you will have to live with it.

    “real race issues in sentencing.”

    This issue is real Dittoburg but I guess it does not affect you… A Cab will stop for you but not for me and the sad thing is we are going to the same place…

    The What (Ditto Suck The Nuts)

    Someday this war is gonna end..

  • I suggest everyone to watch VH1′s Behind the music on ODB!

    That “Mural” needs to come down. It’s a caricature and the person who is doing this is a hero!

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end..

  • Just Pete Townshend.

    Glad I annoyed you What.

  • The Who- What about murals of real heroes in the Black community- people who have really made a difference- locally, nationally? I think Shirley Chisolm ought to be Plastered 50 feet high on the side of a building. And she’s just the first.

    There’s also a mural project, a non-profit group that takes at risk kids and they go to different neighborhoods and paint beautiful murals. Only by invitation. Can’t remember the name- I have to look it up. Now if they could do something.

  • Hang on–Robert Downey Jr and Brownstoner and ODB are all the same person?

  • Robert Downey, Jr.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Downey,_Jr.#Substance_abuse

    From 1996 through 2001, Downey was arrested numerous times on drug-related charges and went several times through drug treatment programs unsuccessfully, explaining in 1999 to a judge: “It’s like I have a loaded gun in my mouth and my finger’s on the trigger, and I like the taste of the gunmetal

    In April 1996, Downey was arrested for possession of heroin, cocaine and an unloaded .357-caliber Magnum handgun, while he was speeding down Sunset Boulevard. A month later, when on parole, he trespassed into a neighbor’s home while under the influence of a controlled substance, falling asleep in one of the beds.

    Well well well ODB got caught in California wearing a Bulletproof vest and did nore time than Downey?

    ODB In February 1999, he was arrested for driving without a license and for being a convicted felon wearing a bulletproof vest (the first person arrested for this infraction under a new California law).

    But Downey did thing before that was considered Felonious. I wonder why Downey was not arrested and jailed over the gun charge???

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end..

  • Did you know anything before the invention of Wikipedia besides how to curse?

  • I took this comment from a poster on diehipster.com named Jack. I think this statement sums up everything about the retards…

    They both are habitual hipocrites. They support Obama and “equality for all” like no tomorrow, but are inherently racist and classist assholes. They will move into a once culturally-mixed city neighborhood and then immediately start to racial profile and judge any old time residents by the color of their skin and the quality of their shops. They will eat at the local Spanish retaurant and teach their brats how to speak another language only to show their friends how cultured they are, but really only want to be surrounded by more whitebred assholes like themselves. They are the anti-melting pot which NYC has always prided itself on.

    “I think Shirley Chisolm ought to be Plastered 50 feet high on the side of a building.”

    I wonder why when there are more deserving people and BTW I met Congresswoman Chisolm…

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end..

  • I’m sorry musicians continue to get ripped off by recording contracts and management. It’s been going on in one form or another since David starting singing in Saul’s court in the Bible. That doesn’t make it right, but you’d think the word would have gotten out by now – don’t sign anything without your personally chosen legal representation present.

    In fact, instead of stupid lyrics, like above, with so many asterisks it looks like an art installation, due to the unecessary profanity, how about rappers and other pop stars putting out some public service announcements, or saying in interviews, “young aspiring artists, don’t do what I did, get legal representation when you start to make it big.” I’m sure record companies won’t be too happy about that, but why should they make money they are not entitled to, off the backs of the very people they need to survive?

    Less attention to the bling, the lifestyle and the perks, and more attention paid towards lasting rewards. I’m not a big fan of their music, or some of their lifestyle choices, but I have to hand it to Jay Z, Puffy and even Fifty Cent, they invested and handled their monies quite well.

  • hypocrite – wouldn’t that be someone who calls people racist based on their skin color, and yet is continually racist himself.

  • Puffy – quite well?

    I think that’s an understatement. He is a businessman nonpareil.

  • mas o menos, how much to commission a mural of Joey Buttafuoco and Amy Fisher in Bay Ridge?

    (for some reason when i’m there, i think of them)

  • What, that description is as tired as the classic stereotypes about black people. Sure, there are people who are like that, just as there are people who match any stereotype, but that doesn’t mean most people fit a stereotye. Most people just want to live and let live. Most people interact freely and non judgementally with those not like themselves, and want nothing more than happy lives for themselves, their families, and those around them. They are not hypocrites, or gentrifiers with an ulterior mission. I’m so tired of the attitude that someone has taken something away from you, especially in Clinton Hill, and replaced it with something alien.

    The good old days you want back were not that good, not for anyone. It wasn’t just gentrifiers or Pratt students dodging bullets, and stepping over junkies, you know. It was black and latino mothers and their children, senior citizens who were afraid to leave their homes, church ladies on Sunday, and plain old working folks trying to get to and from work without getting mugged, or seeing something that would haunt them for life. Yeah, there was also great beauty and creativity, and institutions that have since moved on and out, but no neighborhood stays in stasis forever. The black homeowners who sold to the gentrifiers did quite well, and you helped in that process, so it’s a little too late to start crying now that “they” took something from the rest of us.

    How about being part of the solution to the real problems that face us, solutions to the inequalities that still remain, and they are plenty, instead of always complaining that someone stole your ‘hood? Treating others with at least respect would be a good first step.

  • Montrose;

    You’re on fire today! Well said! I can’t post much today, but just wanted to say that you hit it right on the nail, once again. Kudos also to Bxgrl and ENY for their posts.

  • I didn’t notice Sean Coombs doing anytime for his gun charge either.

    As for your description, yes there are many folk like that- just as there are many folk who indulge in their own reverse racism. As long as you stereotype any group, you are just as guilty of racism as the KKK. There are no priorities in racism, and there is no justification for it. Do I think people find reasons for it- yes. Do I think some people have more understandable reasons for feeling as they do? Yes. Do I think that excuses it? No.

    Re: Shirley Chisolm- I said, just the first- as in first of many. Have to start somewhere- she was groundbreaking, born in the area, a first in so many ways. This isn’t a comparison contest of who is most deserving- that’s ridiculous and self-defeating. Plaster as many 50 foot high heroes on buildings as you can-

    So who do you think is “more deserving”, What?

  • Well well.. This is a PWNING! Robert Downey vs. ODB Criminal Recored Dust-up.

    Robert Downey Jr. did just as much dirt as ODB. One is making million dollar picture and the other one is dead. ODB need help real bad and the drugs will take a toll at sometime. I can’t see any difference between the two but race. If you look at the stats black men are most likely to be stopped, frisked, arrested and serve more time that their white counterparts, I’m not making this stuff up it’s all there in Black and white. The real Hypocrisy comes when the other side choses to ignore the facts and use their own assumptions …..

    The What (He shoot and scores)

    Someday this war is gonna end…

  • Montrose Morris orgasmic climax at March 17, 2009 1:07 PM.

    Brownstoner here is your QOTD. You can use it to mask the real issue of Cover race/Class warfare.

    ” Most people interact freely and non judgementally with those not like themselves, and want nothing more than happy lives for themselves, their families, and those around them. They are not hypocrites, or gentrifiers with an ulterior mission.”

    Well MM Be a large Black Man walking behind a Asshat and get back to me or better yet, when the next time some Retard post a nasty comment about Black people think about me, OK…

    The What (Oh Skittles)

    SOmeday this war is gonna end…

  • So who do you think is “more deserving”, What?

    Mr. Sonny Carson…

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end…

  • Dear He shoot and scores-

    Actually, you don’t. Like Downey, ODB made his choice. He doesn’t get a pass for doing drugs because he is Black. To assume that is an insult to your entire race. Downey did time and cleaned up his act. That’s why he is making the million dollar movie. ODB could have gotten help if he wanted it. But there was also this re ODB: In February 1998, Jones witnessed a car accident from the window of his Brooklyn recording studio. He and a friend ran to the accident scene and organized about a dozen onlookers who assisted in lifting the 1996 Ford Mustang—rescuing a 4-year-old girl from the wreckage. She was taken to a hospital with second and third degree burns. Using a false name, Jones visited the girl in the hospital frequently until he was spotted by members of the media

    He was talented and good-hearted and f**ked up. It was a waste of a charismatic life.

    I will absolutely agree with you that “black men are most likely to be stopped, frisked, arrested and serve more time that their white counterparts”. There’s no arguing with the facts. And no arguing with what I know from personal experience.

  • Scene: a press conference in 1991 after the Crown Heights Riot, during which Sonny Carson praises those who killed Yankel Rosenbaum. When asked if he is anti-semitic, Mr. Carson gave the following response:

    “I’m anti-white – don’t limit my anti’s to one group of people.”

    More deserving than Shirley Chilsolm……

  • For his community work, his attempted kidnapping charge or his anti-semitism?

  • “If you look at the stats black men are most likely to be stopped, frisked, arrested and serve more time that their white counterparts”

    Which is the “real” issue I mentioned in my 12.06 post. Your cluelessness about those you see as the enemy makes you think that this comment is a revelation to them.

    You are angry at racism (lets ignore your own racism) but you can’t seem to distinguish what is racist and what is not racist, so you make out everything to be racist. When you are called on that you retreat to a position of “Oh so you think America isn’t racist – well it is because [insert the real evidence of racism here]“. That goal-post shifting might encourage you to think “he shoot and scores” but you’re not fooling anyone.

  • “Less attention to the bling, the lifestyle and the perks, and more attention paid towards lasting rewards.”

    With all due respect, MM, this could be applied to several members of our society, from rappers to ballplayers to lawyers to to MTV producers to top CEOs, hedge-fund managers (sorry Dave) and ponzi-scheme swindlers. It’s true some rappers fit the profile, but that’s not true for all, and they’re certainly not alone. In a perfect world, all public figures would be role models, but that’s just not reality. Our chief POSITIVE role models should be our parents and teachers, if we are lucky enough to have good ones. Meanwhile, I’d assert that people like OBD CAN be admired for their music while also being clearly identified as an example of the pitfalls of irresponsibility and excess (like say, Miles Davis). In that sense, ODB WAS a role model!

  • “better yet, when the next time some Retard post a nasty comment about Black people think about me, OK…”

    PropJoe and Wine Lover are reviled and called out on this board for what they say, no-one needs your hypocritical help to do that.

  • benson- interesting, no?

  • Bxgrl;

    I think it says it all about him.

  • What, nobody hollers louder than I do around here when I think racism is wrapping its arthritic fingers around an issue on this blog. I’ve taken kudos for it, and I’ve taken heat. I don’t plan on changing to satisfy anyone’s expectations of what a black person should say or feel, I am just one voice, expressing one opinion.

    And I do agree that black men have it worse than anyone else in society when it comes to profiling, being frisked, arrested and serving time.

    And although I am not a man, I know what it’s like to have people nervous to have me walking behind them, or get in an elevator in a tony building, or be followed by security in a store. But you know what – I ignore them, because ignorance cannot be tolerated or fed into. So I go about my business because I know that I have as much right to the street, and to be in that elevator, or in that store. Carrying myself with pride and dignity is the best revenge. Working towards not having a world like that is the only solution.

  • “if anything they are just as cheesy and faux as the beastie boys.”

    Hey Pitbull, 99% of the time I read comments on this site, I do not post. However, you said two things in two consecutive days that were so preposterous that I couldn’t help my weak self.

    Beastie Boys “faux,” and “cheesy?” I love hip hop to death, and truthfully was never a big fan of BB. Yet, there is no question that they were pioneering. They are trend-setters who earned respect from everyone in hip hop, and will always be respected for what they did. And their first album was a classic.

    Coming from a Foxy Brown fan, I guess your post makes some internal sense. You seem to not be from NYC, which is cool. Welcome. But really, perhaps you should aim for quality over quantity when it comes to commenting.

  • ENY- you are so right. But we also have to stop thinking people are flat pieces of cardboard. Take that story about ODB and how they rescued the little girl. The guy did a heroic thing- it shouldn’t be forgotten.

  • Oh, and Sonny Carson???? I don’t think so.

    Very true, ENY, very true.

  • “With all due respect, MM, this could be applied to several members of our society, from rappers to ballplayers to lawyers to to MTV producers to top CEOs, hedge-fund managers (sorry Dave) and ponzi-scheme swindlers”

    I don’t think there’s any doubt today that society is saying that to all those people you mention East New York.

    “I’d assert that people like OBD CAN be admired for their music while also being clearly identified as an example of the pitfalls of irresponsibility”

    I agree with you on this. Is it possible to separate Wagner’s music from his anti-semitism though? these things get muddy.

  • “You are angry at racism (lets ignore your own racism) but you can’t seem to distinguish what is racist and what is not racist, so you make out everything to be racist.”

    Well Dittoburg before I put you on mute. I am a child of Injured Humanity. I have 400 years of Slavery and 400 million of my Brothers and Sisters scattered around the world in the Diaspora . My Brothers was hung from trees and My Sisters was r*ped and treated like Second Class citizens and just because we have a Black President that will never change my feelings.

    “That goal-post shifting might encourage you to think “he shoot and scores” but you’re not fooling anyone.”

    I never wavered in my belief system. I will have the will to stay on course and I know that you and others here on Brownstoner wished you had that ability.

    The What (Brooklyn’s Finest)

    Someday this war is gonna end…

  • I would have to agree that female rappers like jean Grae and Bahamadia are great
    so are the old school ones like Mc Lyte and Monie Love etc etc.

    I wish people wouldn’t continue to blame record companies for the ills of artists spending the HUGE ADVANCE MONIES we give them on the wrong thing and then when the royalty checks stop coming (Because said artist wanted to fly in First or have a Mercedes Viano pick them up at the airport) conclude the record company effed them over!

    That’s not how it works! – Get a better manager and not “your Man” or your college roomate to explain to you that if you want to use the Hot producer at the time all your advance money will go to paying that hot producer and if the album breaks even, you won’t get anymore checks – but if the album sells well – you will get a bonus plus your residuals and the label will be that much more willing to strike a new percentage deal on points off your album!!!!

  • ditto- re Wagner- I never could. And I have Jewish friends who love him. He makes my skin crawl no matter the art is above all things argument.

    Oddly enough, while I can separate Carson from his anti-white attitudes. He did a great deal for his community.

    What I can’t separate him from is his applauding the death of Yankel Rosenbaum – and as far as I’m concerned Rosenbaum could be anyone. If you applaud murdering innocent people, you’re a meaningless waste of a human being and it negates everything about you.

  • That’s a good one, ditto. Many Jewish conductors, musicians, singers and audience members have done so. Not to mention all of the above who are not Jewish, but don’t condone racism or anti-Semitism of any kind.

    When I was singing opera, I never did very much Wagner, as it wasn’t my fach, and most of it was just too heavy for my voice at the time, but I worked with lots of people who thought his music was the greatest thing since sliced bread, but they hated the man. They also had little tolerance for German musicians who collaborated or even just tolerated the Nazis. These were some of the most talented people of the century, like Herbert Von Karajan and Elisabeth Schwarzkopf. It does get muddy.

  • “What I can’t separate him from is his applauding the death of Yankel Rosenbaum – and as far as I’m concerned Rosenbaum could be anyone. If you applaud murdering innocent people, you’re a meaningless waste of a human being and it negates everything about you.”

    WHOA WHAO WHOA!!! When in the f**** I did that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This validates everything!!!!!!!!!! When did I applaud the death of Yankel Rosenbaum????!!!

    That was very bad Bxgrl. You ask me a opinion on something and twisted around! Where did Yankel Rosenbaum come from?

    I will never interact with you again…

    The What (Wow)

    Someday this war is gonna end..

  • bxgirl…….Shirley Chisolm would do just fine as a mural.

    So would murals of other more positive spoken word artist: Langston, Dunbar, Cullen..etc:

    Better yet, how about a mural with the lyrics to “Lift Every Voice and Sing”

    btw…why don’t somebody paint over the J.Z. ad over on Tillary Street. I’m waiting..

  • ODB was from Brooklyn, He lived on Lewis Ave.

    I like that “Brooklyn Zoo” lyrics post East New York, But you got a couple of things twisted.

    “I’m the one-man army ace on” should be “I’m the one man army, Ason” ODB also went by the name Ason Unique. Same thing for “Hey son, I keep planets in orbit”

    “Energy Building taking all types of medicine” should read “Ithe G building…” as in the psych ward in Kings County.

  • “I am a child of Injured Humanity. I have 400 years of Slavery and 400 million of my Brothers and Sisters scattered around the world in the Diaspora . My Brothers was hung from trees and My Sisters was r*ped and treated like Second Class citizens….”

    So am I, so are lots of us. That doesn’t give us a license to be a@@holes. It calls us to be better, smarter, stronger. It gives us inspiration, cojones, imagination and determination. It should cause us to rise above, not sink below. That history should call us to greatness, not mediocrity, not to just getting over, or getting ours.

  • “But we also have to stop thinking people are flat pieces of cardboard. Take that story about ODB and how they rescued the little girl. The guy did a heroic thing- it shouldn’t be forgotten.”

    I completely agree.

    “But you know what – I ignore them, because ignorance cannot be tolerated or fed into. So I go about my business because I know that I have as much right to the street, and to be in that elevator, or in that store.”

    Again, agreed.

    “I agree with you on this. Is it possible to separate Wagner’s music from his anti-semitism though? these things get muddy.”

    Another very good point. There are no easy answers here.

  • MM, with all due respect, I’m sure ODB and the whole Clan (and everyone else who gets royally screwed) had great legal representation. Getting a contract that is considered “industry standard” is as good as you can hope for as an unknown. Hugely famous people (Prince, Madonna, U2) continue to wrangle with their record companies to this day, really only helped by the slight increase in power the writers and artists have thanks of the internet. No struggling artist hoping for a break is going to walk away from a contract and their one hope of recording, touring, reaching an audience. They hope they succeed enough to overcome crippling terms, or at least have a good ride while it lasts. And Troy… what about Rah Digga’s first LP?

  • What – so somehow I’ve managed to elicit from you something from your heart, not cut and pasted, not pulled from wikipedia, not written in texting language and, in your own way, eloquent.

    A miracle.

  • Gee, What- did it ever occur to you you also described the Jewish experience? Oh, we may not have been hung from trees, but you could read up on the atrocities committed on us in pograms and in concentration camps. We are all injured people- every group, every person.

    I’m not telling you to get over it but I am saying the more you dwell on the past, the more you live in it.

    SO my question to you is – and I am actually paraphrasing something I heard Malcolm X brilliantly say about White people who hate Black people yet spend their summers on the beaches trying to get to look like them- why try so hard on Wall St. and in Real Estate to earn enough money to live like monied White folk (something I can’t manage to accomplish)?

    Why aren’t you emulating your idol, Sonny Carson and be a community activist in Bed Stuy? It’s fine to bitch and moan about what’s been done to Black people, and worse- it’s all true. But what have you done for yourself and your people?

  • What- I was not say “You”- I was using the generic “you” in regards to Carson. Sorry for not being clearer- I was not referring to you on that point.

  • Gemini, aren’t advance money and recording budget usually separate? Sure, no one should be an idiot and spend like crazy, but that doesn’t justify an 18 point deal, plus the artist is paying back the advance out of THEIR 18 points. Nuts!

  • And just to make that point again- I mentioned Rosenbaum only because of Carson and what he said. It wasn’t in reference to anything you said and while I will argue with you on many things, I am really apologizing if I put things so that you mistook my meaning.

  • Bxgrl never said you applauded the death of Yankel Rosenbaum, what.

    Sonny Carson did, whether by word specifically, or by praising those who did, which is the same thing. His interviews at the time are public record. He did do a lot for the community, but even good, when combined with a lot of wrong, becomes obscure. We are all the sum of our words and actions, and for me, Sonny falls short.

  • mshook, I don’t know anything about any of these recording artists vis a vis their lawyers and contracts. My point was more towards them providing a community service to the hundreds of young aspiring rappers, singers, and musicians who look up to these people like they were gods. Wouldn’t it be nice if a god faced a camera or said in a magazine, “Young one, you need to take care of business if you start to make it in this cutthroat business. You need A, B, C, and you need to do this, that, and the other. Don’t waste your money on bling and Kristol and fancy cars. Etc, etc, etc.” That all I want. Gemini10 is right, as well.

  • “What I can’t separate him from is his applauding the death of Yankel Rosenbaum – and as far as I’m concerned Rosenbaum could be anyone. If you applaud murdering innocent people, you’re a meaningless waste of a human being and it negates everything about you.”

    What part am I missing??? I don’t think I want to engage certain people hear anymore.

    If I write something, it’s called trash.

    If I post something from mainstream media, it’s dismissed as “Copy and paste”

    If I give my opinion, it’s twisted to make me look bad.

    I can’t win and this was a blatant attempt to smear me. Like I said before it’s right there in Black and White…

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end…

  • Well, better blatant than covert eh?

  • mshook
    in reply to your question about recording bugets and advances being seperate? In many cases it is, but in the hip hop world – the lines blur becuase hip hop producers who are sought after becuase they have the name and a rep cost MUCH more. So when Rapper X wants to use Just Blaze on track that will come out of the recording budget, but when the record company intially sets the budget at 500K and now Just Blaze commands 100K for 1 song, then they have to do the rest of the album on the cheap so many times if Rapper X wants to use a hote rapper, the rapper through management and the record company come to an agreement where some of the money will come out of their advance….

  • WOW…I go out to lunch and I miss the real racism, mot the soft _Asshats invading the ghetto” stuff!!!!

    Happy St. Patrick’s day to ya all.

  • Hahah ODB

    Oooh baby i like it raw……oooh baby i like it raw!!

    By far the worst wu tang member.

  • I used to work near some projects. I went over once to help a guy fix his computer. In return he offered to get me any mix CD I wanted. “Uh…Wu-Tang?”

    “Yo, they suck…but I can get it for you.”

  • I have found most Wu-Tang fans are white stoners.

  • DH – worst Wu member is defintely U-God
    but I digress……

  • oh yeah U-God – I always forget him.

  • DH – exactly! so does the consumer!!
    i think his last album sold 52 units in japan!
    ha

  • Who’s Wu Tang?? I may have dated his brother in Hong Kong.

  • Sorry, BKThoroughbred. I stand corrected.

  • What- it’s your problem if you want to misinterpet what I said and what I was referring to. You said you thought SOnny Carson was deserving. I asked why. FYI the “What” in that sentence is a grammatical “WHat” and NOT your user name. Read it again, this time without the blinders on.

  • You get a tiara, snark!

  • haha wu-tang is NOT huge in Japan

  • You know something? I gave great consideration to this comment: There are no more rules of engagement. Today was very disgusting and it show what my “neighbors” think of me. It’s show what my “neighbors” think about my hero’s, my community, my people and the city I live in. It show the attitude of the “neighbors” I live with. The goal is to subjugate a entire culture and neighborhood of people! This post illustrates that fact. No one could not run a counter augment with out peeking out from the sheet or put their “Jewelry” into the argument.

    Most of the people here do not know what sparked the Crown Heights Riots and the deaths that resulted from that day was very very tragic! It took the shear power of the Black and Jewish communities to mend those broken fences and a time where tensions was running high in Crown Heights. I find it so disgusting to even bring up that day just to justify a augment should be grounds for termination from Brownstoner, yes termination!

    For now on I will not care who feeling get hurt or who gets upset. There are no more rules….

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end…

  • what- this is a 2 way street. YOu post the most horrible diatribes, and gross comments and insults but yet you want people to respect you and your opinions. How do you think that can work? I agree with you about the hard work and determination of Black and Jewish communities to mend things- did Sonny Carson work to make that happen?

    What makes it ok for you to call white people retards and insult them at every turn yet my discussing my reason for not thinking well of Sonny Carson is somehow a personal insult to you. I assure you I didn’t intend it to be. Nor am I saying Sonny Carson was not a man who contributed a great deal to his community. He did- but he also applauded the death of Yankel Rosenbaum. There is nothing admirable in that.

    You look at everything & everyone- black or white says- with the intention of misinterpreting what they say and making a fight out of it- should someone say anything to you besides, yes, What, Of course, What, anything you say, What- you get bent out of shape. Well, What- I was married to an Angry Black Man for 18 years- he never saw the need to pick imaginary fights. He was too busy dealing with real ones. Seems to me you have plenty of real issues to deal with without fantasizing new ones.

    So let’s get this straight- just because I may disagree with you, I am not trying to insult you.

  • this thread has actually been great for me. for a long time, I felt that the What got away with his bs. today truly intelligent people finally called him out with truly intelligent comments. What we saw was actually poignant – I didn’t find myself cheering at his demise – I found myself genuinely sad and concerned for someone who’s clearly not well and maybe very lonely. I hope that he can see through his own rhetoric and maybe take some of the truth that people, jewish, black, white put out there today. the only thing i worry about is that he may be so unstable that this much real would put him over the edge…

  • “this thread has actually been great for me.”

    Me too…

    ” felt that the What got away with his bs. today truly intelligent people finally called him out with truly intelligent comments. ”

    Wait a minute, so you saying if someone agrees with you they are intelligent?? Ok now I understand.

    “What we saw was actually poignant – I didn’t find myself cheering at his demise – I found myself genuinely sad and concerned for someone who’s clearly not well and maybe very lonely.”

    Wow you got a copy of the DSM 4 manual? You can make that type of determination by reading someone post? Miss Priss suck it well..

    “I hope that he can see through his own rhetoric and maybe take some of the truth that people, jewish, black, white put out there today.”

    I could describe the people that made comments today but I would be banned forever from Brownstoner.

    “the only thing i worry about is that he may be so unstable that this much real would put him over the edge…”

    Miss Priss I live very well baby. I don’t need to “validate” everything to you, that would be not so bright on my part.

    I touch a nerve the other day with my Harangue on the Posers who post on Brownstoner! You see most of you are unemployed, live 6 in a 1 bedroom apartment, STD carrying, one paycheck away from homelessness, Ghetto neighborhood hijacking POSERS!

    You don’t live in Park Slope or Cobble Hill or Maybe Brooklyn Heights! You live in Bed Stuy, Bushwick and gasp, Ocean Hill and got the nerve to criticize me!

    I was around when this mural went up! I saw the people painting it! Plus it was used for a Documentary on ODB life. No of the retards can say that and none of you can say you was Born and Raised in Brooklyn…

    Losers….

    The What (Brooklyn Finest)

    Someday this war is gonna end..

    After Mr. Sonny Carson the next mural I would like to have is Nat Turner (Freedom Fighter)…

  • What- so what if someone wasn’t born and raised in Brooklyn? Big damn deal. As if that makes you a better person? A smarter person? A more compassionate person? Please.

  • and you what, What? You want some real heroes to paint in a mural? I’ll give you some:
    Vernon Ritchard,
    Gerard Baptiste
    William Henry
    William H. Thompson
    Nathaniel Webb
    Walter A. McNeil
    Bruce A. Reynolds
    Clinton Davis
    Uhuru Houston
    Ronnie Hendersen
    Keithroy Maynard
    Karl Joseph
    Shawn Powell
    Vernon Cherry
    Leon Smith
    Tarel Coleman
    Rodney Gillis
    James Parham
    Walwyn Stuart Jr.
    Donald Foreman
    Keith Glascoe

    Nat Turner doesn’t hold a candle to any one of them.

  • This is also a very int. post! You guys go in… i’m scared to even comment:) All i want to know is… marked up the mural and can you guys get them on this blog to discuss it? wouldn’t that be great guys!?

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