Big Plans for Fulton Mall Makeover

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fulton-reconstruction-map-0309.jpgThe Downtown Brooklyn Partnership is gearing up for a $15 million renovation of the Fulton Mall. According to an article by Stephen Witt in the print edition of yesterday’s Courier Life, the renovation will take two years and be performed in two phases. Phase 1 will create new public space (to be called Albee Square Plaza) in front of the entrance to the old Albee Square Mall; as part of this project, Dekalb Avenue will be closed from Bond Street to Albee Square West. The Partnership envisions this space being used for anything from performances to outdoor markets. Phase 2, which won’t start until next year, will address outdoor infrastructure like sidewalks and street furniture throughout the rest of the Fulton Mall. “The new streetscape will bring everything down to a more personal and individual level so instead of seeing a giant ugly bus shelter you will see trees, benches, plantings and the stores,” DBP’s Michael Burke told The Courier. Existing retail tenants and landlords, who have been consulted though the design process, are looking forward to the upgrades: “When we saw the plans for this we were absolutely thrilled,” said Macy’s SVP Ed Goldberg. “It will make the whole streetscape much more modern and conducive to shopping and safer.”

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  • That white woman in the foreground with HUGE breasts might be going wig shopping.

  • the fulton street mall is the LAST place i’d want to sit down and read a book…

  • And there’s the small issue of the large unsightly hole in the ground across the street.

    Prodigal Son…one of my pet peeves is when people cut across the obvious flow of traffic on the sidewalk like that and think its their right to do so without watching out for others or an “excuse me,” big tits or not!!!! :)

  • I don’t see no huge

  • she’s there buying sneakers, since her feet prob hurt in those heels

  • And that old bald man is ogling her from the bench. Is that Prodigal Son????

  • You’re talking about her?? She’s basically flat.

    They guy on the bench has a big nose though.

  • Ridiculous. “It will make the whole streetscape much more modern and conducive to shopping and safer.” What is unsafe about the current Fulton Mall? The sidewalks are already wide and there are no cars (only buses) on the street — actually, kind of like that picture.

    Of course, the mix of white and black folk on the sidewalk currently looks a lot different than the picture, but that couldn’t be what they are talking about.

  • Yes aishling…are there really ever any old white men in business suits in front of that place????

  • im so glad Mo’nique will be shopping there. fyi before you say ANYTHING, Mo is one of my personal all time heroes.

    *rob*

  • Yeah, Aishling. Fulton Mall seems plenty modern, conducive to shopping and safe to me. $15 million!! I know facilities need to be maintained and upgraded, and I’m all for the trees, but geez, that’s a lot of money.

  • DIBS-

    I’m not old or balding, nor do I wear suits very often but I do ogle. So yeah, that would be me….

  • ugh ogling. it’s creepy how prevelant it is. im all for the right to do and say what you want but sometimes it just borders on gross. straight perverted men do it with their eyes and mouths verbally and ive noticed that old perverted gay men tend to do something weird with their tongue and make a clucking noise. it’s creepy. blech.

    *r*

  • Rob-

    Don’t feel too bad, women ogle me and make overt comments at me -all the time-. It made me the pervert I am today.

  • Fulton Mall is a success as it is. Seems like the money would be better spent revitalizing more of Fulton Street, or any other street.

    Hell, Montague street could use a revamp, since it lost all its stores.

  • exactly heather. the city these days seems to be hellbent on fixing what’s not broken.

    *r*

  • Is that rendering a before shot??
    I don’t see the difference than what’s there now.

    “The new streetscape will bring everything down to a more personal and individual level so instead of seeing a giant ugly bus shelter”

    Uuuum, In the rendering the first thing I saw was a bus shelter.

    Woman in black tank, I hope is Snappy, oh please let that be Snappy :-)

  • Prodigal Son;

    You’ve got it wrong. It’s the middle-aged bald guy on the bench who’s going wig shopping. He’s ogling the women and thinking to himself “Yeah, if I get a wig, I can still get the chicks, like on the TV commecials”.

  • Yep BRG – she’s coming your way!

  • He’s ogling the women and thinking to himself “Yeah, if I get a wig, I can still get the chicks, like on the TV commecials”.

    Yep, Benson knows how that it works ;-)
    You still wearing your hat?

  • BRG, a black top with white shoes? Me? Never! Oh, and no weave either :) (I refuse to have a receipt for my hair! – not a dis to those who do!)

  • Darn, my grammer!

  • The What is not going to like that amount of integration!!!!

  • “Yep, Benson knows how that it works ;-)”

    BRG;

    When you translate that phrase into English, let me know, so I can comment on it!

  • Oh, and to say something on topic, Fulton Mall is fine the way it is – other than fixing a few potholes. Our tax dollars being wasted yet again. Sigh.

  • Darn, my grammer.

    And, apparently your spelling too.

  • Darn my spelling!!

    Here’s the ‘A’

    But from the previous posts, some guys here would want T & A

  • Speaking of weaves, where ARE all the tumbleweaves I usually see blowing around that area?

  • Don’t make such gross generalizations. I know Snappy might want some but then there’s the whole gay contingent.

    Perhaps we should move this to the open thread and let there be a civil discussion about the niceties of the Fulton Mall. It’ll be a short one, that’s for sure.

  • I’m glad they’re upgrading the mall. It will benefit the stores to have an influx of people that might not have come otherwise

  • honestly i really wish they wouldnt refer to it as a “mall” REAL malls are indoors, air conditioned, and have a giant food court centrally located. (my inner jersey boy is shining)

    *r*

  • “Don’t make such gross generalizations. I know Snappy might want some but then there’s the whole gay contingent.”

    Huh? Might want some what?

  • The bald guy on the bench, is he wearing a pair of Roberto Guerrini Slip on Boots, which are “very expensive Italian boots. The kind that are about 9″ high. The toes are wingtip but pointy.”?

  • And will be used at the March 19 get together [cue Biff] to stomp on the CFMPs of a certain ho from southern Brooklyn.

  • BRG – and his pants have no cuffs. For shame!

  • interesting how the 2 black women in foreground are thick, and the non-black women are thin (bench and blond walking).

    rob, its not old straight men that ogle, its men period. i get ogled and commented to by young gay men a lot…they’re maybe more aggressive than straight men are to women.

  • That black woman on the right is definitely not “thick.”

  • A certain ho from Southern Brooklyn might not be there on March 19th [cue organizer]. And if she is, she’s not wearing her CFMPs. There are no prospects for that night; Snappy might not be there :-(

    Seriously, about a week ago, I found some pics of me with really big hair and dressed like a ho (I was going out dancing, I was young don’t judge me) and yes, I was wearing CFMPs. I was laughing so hard. I scanned them, I’m going to use them somehow, they’re hysterical.
    What was I thinking going out looking like that!!

  • Not even close to being thick.

  • Post them in the Forum, BRG.

  • Where I come from “thick” means stupid. I have to get up to speed with the lingo.

  • I’m moving this to the Open Thread. We’re off topic now.

  • You know it’s funny when the subject of Downtown Brooklyn Comes up. The hidden Covert Racism creeps up. I don’t see this type of behavior on other subjects and I find it disgusting. It show what the retards are really thinking when you walk down the street..

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end..

  • We were off topic with the first post by P S

  • Tell us what we are thinking when we walk down the street, What.

  • I apologize for starting this thread TOTALLY off topic. Seriously, I apologize.

    On topic- instead of dropping 15 mil on cosmetics, what is being done to draw new retailers? Don’t answer this 15 mil greenery campaign.

  • What, what the hell are you talking about?

  • It wasn’t as much off-topic as it was off-color :-)

  • And now The What will make this thread of color.

  • So all they are doing is adding a few trees and gussying up the bus stops? Oh- and adding white people! I ‘m with those who think Fulton St. is fine on its own- put the money into something else. You know- a better bus shelter for the 65 where you can stand and wait forever in the rain, snow and summer sun.

  • New sidewalks for those streets that didn’t already get them in Bed Stuy

  • “What, what the hell are you talking about?”

    Everytime and I mean everytime the subject of Downtown Brooklyn comes up. The Covert Race/Class remarks comes to the surface! It tells me what some retards are thinking! You are not that stupid!!

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end…

  • Which specific remark did you think was racist, What???

  • What thinks any sentence containing the word black (or white) is racist. He is unable to use his brain at that point and just kicks out his knee-jerk “thats racist” drivel. I wouldn’t mind so much if he hadn’t said so many actually racist things in the past.

  • But we’ll all let pass the crap you spew about “get the Asshat gentrifiers out of the hood” bullshit. What a hypocrite.

  • I shopped at the Fulton Mall last week (it’s a PEDESTRIAN mall, Rob). I spotted several white people.

    Also the streetscape above looks similar to what the street looks like presently. But if they’re going to spend money here, it’s cool with me.

  • WHAT, I’LL ASK YOU AGAIN……

    Which specific remark did you think was racist, What???

  • The what thinks the following words from the above posts are code:

    Wig, breasts, last, huge, Heels, Bald, Flat, Old white men, Mo’nique, trees, ogle, preverted, clucking, overt, revamp, hellbent, chicks, black top, translate, potholes, weaves, contingent, influx, mall, boots, wingtip, pointy, ho, cuffs, thick, prospects, scanned, greenery, forum, off-color, rain, snow, sun, spotted.

  • And we tolerate the never ending “skittles” reference.

  • “Old white men” sounds pretty racist to me, actually.

  • why encourage Twhat?

  • Not if its coming from “an old white man.” Besides, what doesn’t give a rats ass about racism against old white men.

  • I’ll believe it when I see it. The Fulton Mall reminds me of Fordham Road.
    It has the worst Macy’s ever.

  • I shopped in Fulton Mall for years- before it even became a “mall”. There were very few white people and in all honesty it didn’t make a hell of a differnece. I found great stuff, people were always nice, it was convenient. But as far as Bklyn Heights, CH and CG- they didn’t shop there.

    So my annoyance- especially with the picture- is the idea the Fulton St. is a place that has to be upgraded to be “saved” from itself, and to being in the white people because it isn’t good enough now for them. That whole picture is code – 2 Black people and a third from the back- the rest all white. And all they show that looks different is a bench, a new bus stop, new lamps and more trees. (They re-use the young Black woman’s image in the second rendering on the web site. The only Black person in that one).

    Maybe I’m overly sensitive to it, but that picture is worth a thousand not so nice words. It would be nice to have Fulton St. improved with all those new lights and bus stops and trees- but it should be done because of the people who shop there now and who have already made Fulton St. a commercial success.

  • bxgrl…I think you’re right about the makeup of the picture. it is truly not representative and its an affront to think it needs to be upgraded so that it will fill up with “more” white people.

    What, on the other hand, is calling the comments racist which were not. The fact that some of the posts called attention to the situation you described points out the fact that others saw it too. Whether they commented in a manner like you did or a more snarky comment is a different story.

  • Thanks for all the jokes – a good ploy so nobody will bother discussing this awful idea.

    Cleaning up the Fulton Mall is great but closing down DeKalb between Bond to Albee Square West is brain dead.

    They have removed parking on the north side of DeKalb Ave from Classon to Flatbush in order to accomodate the Limited B38 Bus service and speed morning traffic for connections to….

    Juniors?

    This is bad planning – the regional planners have looked the other way while transit connections such as the Myrtle Bus transfer to the A train (long gone) are eliminated one by one. Now taking the B38 to Jay St. or Court St. for other train connections will be pointless.

    I truly hope this plan is revised. Like bxgrl, I shopped her before it was a “mall” in Martins, Abraham and Straus and Mays. The shabby heavily used and hugely beat up Fulton Mall area does need refurbishing, but this plan is awful for transit and for the community at large.

  • definitely prejudice in the previous posts.

    when there are all white people in anything, people scream for diversity. when there are all black people and the drawing shows diversity (the girl on bench could be hispanic along with others in the background), people scream racism. can’t win.

  • “They have removed parking on the north side of DeKalb Ave from Classon to Flatbush in order to accomodate the Limited B38 Bus service and speed morning traffic for connections to….

    Juniors?”

    You don’t mention that a right turn off DeKalb onto Flatbush takes drivers north to the Manhattan and Brooklyn bridges. I’m sure that’s a factor in the changes. I don’t take the bus, so I know nothing about that part, however I don’t think it’s such a terrible thing to close DeKalb between Bond and Albee Square West.

  • I like how everyone is so binary – you’re black or white and thats it. Talk about a mirror of prejudices.

    The old white due isn’t white. He’s lebanese. The girl reading the magazine is totally Mexican.

  • The modern definition of racist is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.
    - Peter Brimelow

  • Fulton Mall is one of those lightning rod issues, dave. Everytime we have a thread it goes the same. As far as What- is there any thread where he has said anything other than a rant, a gross insult or without a motive to stir up a hornet’s nest? If you’ve ever noticed, he jumps on both sides of an issue- anything to be on the opposite dide, even if it means contradicting himself.

  • I’ve been shopping downtown for years, and I have to agree with Bxgrl, too. I miss the great fabric stores that used to be on Bridge Street, and A&S was a great department store. Macy’s always looks like they bring in all the stuff they can’t sell in Manhattan, and try to unload it here.

    I don’t like the streetlights in the rendering. They look like the buses hit them already. Speaking of which, the biggest wishful thinking here is not only the polyglot mix of people, it’s the idea that at any given time, two city buses could be in sight of each other.

  • I think Fulton Mall proves that pedestrianization (with mass transit access still) does not necessarily kill business as we often hear stated.

  • dittoburg- if snark were giving out SOTD’s still you’d have won with that comment :-)

    Who is Peter Brimelow and why is he making such dumb comments?

  • I wonder if the What is actually Mr. B’s clever ploy to drum up more posts.

  • I used a Peter Brimelow book back in college for my senior thesis to get the ultra-conservative side of the argument re illegal immigration. Didn’t know he was still kicking around.

  • You know, I wondered that myself several times. Some posters are always on point, so to speak. You always know how they will post no matter the issue so they seem kind of flat, personality wise. Most of us are much more changeable, and shaded in our thinking and opinions. Other posters I see as fake: whuh, cornerbodega, and newbie randolph.

  • Ditto and Bxgrl;

    Whether or not The What is a creation of Mr. B,your point is right on: his only aim is to draw attention to himself. I thought of The What this morning when I saw that those two clowns, Bill Maher and Ann Coulter, had a “debate” last night. He is in a class with these folks. Neither of these people are really interested in a serious debate, and neither has a strongly-held belief. Rather, their main objective is to pump up their own noteriety, and if it takes an outrageous statement to do so (in the absence of real talent or insight),well, so be it.

    I have said it before, and I’ll say it again: the best way to handle these types of folks is to simply ignore them. Do not give them what they want, which is noteriety.

  • The rendering is the rendering…..which may or may not reflect the demographics of the Fulton Mall but probably do represent the demographics that we are suppossed to aspire to in our multi-ethnic city.

    But what could be perceived as racist is the notion that improving the look and infrastructure of the mall is an attempt to “fix it” or somehow make the shoppers more “white” ->
    As though Black people (for lack of a better term) wouldnt appreciate a nicer shopping environment, more trees and public space.

    The demographics of who shops there is determined by the tenants (product & price) and it accessibility via public transportation. Nothing in this plan has any impact on that….

  • Forget about the stores on the Fulton Mall–they’re fine. But can we please bulldoze those awful blue “gateways” at either end of the mall? Those have to be among the fugliest things in the whole borough.

  • WHAT??!!! Those works of art? Bulldoze????? Oh you barbarians! :-)

  • I feel they are trying to create the success of the Third st Promenade in Santa Monica
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Street_Promenade

    I’ve been there, it’s really nice. There are street performers everywhere. The street itself is closed off to traffic which I believe will need to be done on Fulton to really create a change.

  • ReMiXxd – funny you mention that , i thought the same (used to live on 24th st. and SM Blvd. Fulton is a LONG way from becoming 3rd St. Prom in terms of the type of stores, and closing off the street is key. Proximity to the beach probably helps in making it a destination place. Unfortunately, it’s also home of the homeless.

  • “He is in a class with these folks. Neither of these people are really interested in a serious debate, and neither has a strongly-held belief. Rather, their main objective is to pump up their own noteriety, and if it takes an outrageous statement to do so (in the absence of real talent or insight),well, so be it.”

    Eh Benson, I have called you out for weeks and I get get no response from you! I think this statement is disingenuous because you want to attack and not debate me! This whole topic has a tinge of Covert Race/Class Warfare and why does White people have to make a area better?????!!!! Answer that you old Reagan era retard!!!!

    The What (Why is no one talking about “improving” 5 th Ave????????)

    Someday this war is gonna end…

    Come on Benson, I’m waiting for you!!!!

  • Third time douchebag….

    WHAT, I’LL ASK YOU AGAIN……

    Which specific remark did you think was racist, What???

  • “why does White people have to make a area better”

    i’ll start by making you better:

    does –> do
    a –> an

  • “Which specific remark did you think was racist, What???”

    That picture!!! The subject!!!!

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end…

  • “He is in a class with these folks. Neither of these people are really interested in a serious debate, and neither has a strongly-held belief. Rather, their main objective is to pump up their own noteriety, and if it takes an outrageous statement to do so (in the absence of real talent or insight),well, so be it.”

    Yep no Benson! Case closed… I waited and you diapered.. Suck on some Balls…

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end…

  • I know, why do they insist on making it better.

  • The rendering alone says it all. Get rid of the African American’s who frequent the Mall now and replace them with the people that we want there. Quite sad, indeed. Shouldn’t we have a diverse population on the Mall which reflects the diversity of the Borough?

  • Where are the people yelling Get you free phone! No credit Bad credit any credit get your free phone?

  • I just wish people would stop throwing their garbage on the sidewalks on Fulton Mall. Come on folks… there’s garbage cans at every bus stop on the mall yet you can’t seem to muster the motivation to walk a few steps to th garbage can to dispose of your McDonald’s and KFC wrappers and bags. You really must drop it right where you stand while waiting for the bus? If you love Fulton Mall so much the way it is now, why do you treat it like a garbage dump? I’m just saying.