Moving Forward

If you’re a troll or a spammer, you better try to get your last licks in now, because by Monday, the guest commenting function will be a thing of the past on Brownstoner. If you haven’t signed up for a user account yet, please try to do so in the next couple of days. (If you don’t receive your verification email within a couple of minutes, just email us and we’ll verify you by hand.) If you already have a user account and voted for the elimination of guest commenting, please put your money where your mouth is and make an effort to get involved in discussions. Another to remember is that you are still anonymous when you comment with a username: Just pick a silly name like Cobble Hill Guy and stick with it; no other readers will be able to see your email address or know who you really are. Our hope and expectation is that the improved quality of the threads—along with our ability to boot anyone who steps out of bounds—will more than make up for any decline in the quantity of comments.

We know that there are a lot of long-time readers out there who’ve gradually been moving to the sidelines of the discussions as they’ve grown nastier and more inane, and hopefully they will take this as an opportunity to re-engage and take the sense of community back to its roots where we can have meaningful, useful discussions about real estate, architecture and the many issues that confront the borough and its neighborhoods as the inevitable wheels of change continue to turn.

There are going to be a number of new features coming to the site in the next few months, the use of which will also be enhanced by having a user account. The first of these, launching next week, involves a group effort at building a comprehensive restaurant guide for the borough. (Having a username is particularly useful because other readers can come to trust, or distrust, you opinions about restaurants.) Other features down the pipe include map-based mobile access of the Brownstoner archives, neighborhood emails and some new service-oriented improvements in the architect and contractor spaces.

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  • Cue the explosion of spam, trolling and vitriol…

    and, while we’re at it–”1999″

  • Thank you for finally making this change.

  • Great. Much needed!

  • Ok Brownnstoner, I hope you are all for free speech and Rah Rah. But you have take a look on what you put on this Blog. The whole covert Race/Class thing is very sicking and if you want to legitimize this blog then you will have to stop this garbage. Start promoting the area where you live at. There are restaurants that need the promotion power of this blog. If those restaurants fail this neighborhood will revert back to the “bad ole days”. So let’s see where you heart is at.

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end…

  • Great idea, hope it works. The decline in comments quality to the point of uselessness seems to be the natural progression of things on comment boards, which is why even Yahoo! did away with those.

  • Thank God! Now maybe there will be some civil, substantitive dialogue on this site!

  • How many silly usernames can I have?

  • Hallelujah! Oh Happy Day! That’s a great step forward!

  • anyways, i’m off to LIC.

  • Cheers! This is a great idea.

  • Jimmy Legs

    i used to think usernames would circumvent inane discussion, but i’m not so sure these days …

  • Wow – I always feel the most boring comments come from the non-anonymous posters. It’s the guests that keep things spicy and fun – thanks to anonymity.

  • Is there any place for a gray type guy in a black type world?

  • i’m skeptical as to whether username “what” is actually The What. it would be a shame to block The What yet allow the “what”.

  • Excellent news. No need for guests.

  • Biff Champion

    THE BOLD TYPE GUESTS WON!! I love it and I love Brownstoner even more now!

  • You really have no clue how to run a blog if the only way you can figure out how to block spammers and trolls is with logins. Find yourself some technical help.

  • OK, it’s worth a try.

  • daveinbedstuy

    Apologies to all but I had to resurrect Bold Type Guest for this very special occasion

    DIBS

  • Blogging 102 (Intermediate Level Bloggonomics):

    Making people register to comment reduces the number of commenters in the long term.

    In the short term, it’s easier for the blog owner to sort through all of the comments.

    In the long term, it makes it harder to attract new blood to the site and maintain a robust comment section. Inevitably, some older commenters will fade away. New people may not be as inclined (IE too lazy) to register to comment at a site that progressively slower comment volume. Vicious cycle yadda yadda yadda and you have less discussion in the long run.

    I haven’t followed the comments here too much (I tend to read through Google Reader), but are guest comments put into a moderator approval roster? Keeping guest commenting open but having a fast-track for registered users seems like a decent option (though maybe it’s been tried).

    -Dreadnt
    Monoliths at the yahoo dot com.

  • daveinbedstuy

    Cause for liquid celebration Biff!!!

  • 11.14 – you are correct, all the honesty will drop out of the discussion. It’ll all be prosaic and bland from now on.

    At least I’ll actually get some work done instead of commenting.

  • Well, it’s worth a try.

  • Thank you for the change.

  • Biff Champion

    DIBS/BTG – absolutely! Even if it doesn’t last, I appreciate Mr. B having the guts to try it.

    11:28 guest (enjoy it while it lasts), if you think the faded typers are any more honest than the bold typers, you haven’t been around here much!

  • May I put the title Queen in front of my name?

  • daveinbedstuy

    Can’t wait to see some of the new “silly” names!!!

  • Biff – I have been here for a while, and it is definitely almost always the guests who spark long, acrimonious debates, which are the main thing that make this blog interesting to me.

  • I don’t enjoy grey type trolls and spammers, but I do appreciate grey type posters with good gossip.

  • if only the wilding bands of brooklyn teenagers had to register a username too……

  • here are names, some of you ‘guests’ might want to register as:

    brownstoner_spammer
    spammer
    useless-commentator
    Why_am_I_not_a_guest
    brownstoner-guest
    I-was-a-guest
    Guest-no-more

    I could come up with more, but today is the last day to comment as guest…I’ve got work to do.

  • Definitely worth a second try. Thank you.

  • Yep, it’s been real. Later, people.

  • This is gonna cut way down on the hater quotient. And it won’t be as much fun … you know … making fun of them.

    C’est la vie!

    Come on les petits, let’s go grab a cold one.

  • Biff – I have been here for a while, and it is definitely almost always the guests who spark long, acrimonious debates, which are the main thing that make this blog interesting to me.

  • BrooklynButler

    Hooray! I doubt that this will improve the quality of the discussion here, but at least it’s a start.

  • A heartfelt YAY!!!! I have no doubt discussions will be just as lively and maybe people like myself, Montrose Morris, Biff, daveinbedstuy, nokilissa and many others won’t have to feel hunted by the lurkers. maybe even CHP will come back!

  • One other thing- please make it impossible to create a user name that spoofs one already in use. Having had it done to me several times, it would be much appreciated.

  • So basically the site will just be Biff talking to himself from now on?

  • One can only hope that all whats will disappear, fake, real, or otherwise. I don’t think Brownstoner is dependent on anonymous commentors, and having a user identity will certainly open the site to more sophisticated features. Perhaps a dating service for the what is in the works.

  • This is a mistake in my opinion. It will also be the end of my participation here, though that of course is “on me”. I do appreciate the reasons for the move though. More importantly, I wish only best for Brownstoner.com and its posters. You guys all rock and I wish you only the best!

    Rock on!

  • Thanks, this will definitely help your website. Now what should be implemented next is a removal of commenting privileges if someone just comes into the discussions just to get a rise out of others. It’s counter-productive and childish.

  • Not that anyone should care, but I will not be signing up and as a result of not being able to say anything less likely to view. It’s like rubbernecking at a crime scene – you hang out to see the mayhem but you’re not giving your name to the officers.

  • Actually, I suspect this move will backfire on the regulars here. Now you’ll actually have to deal with each other and the inevitable “power struggles” to determine who Mr. B likes best. By the time its over, you’ll look back with nostalgia on many of those “guest” posters. However, the guests will be gone and you’ll be going insane here in your non-anonymous prison, like an animal rubbing itself raw against the bars of its cage.

    Congratulations on that.

  • I’m really shocked that folks are choosing not to take part in the site simply because they now need an actually user name. How lame! There will still be interesting banter and great debates!

  • LOL white people LOL

  • Yeah, longtime anonymous/guest/Brooklyn homeowner/daily reader/occasional commenter/nice, civil person here who’s not crazy about the switch. I actually read B’stoner for the freewheeling commentary, and chiming in is easy.

    You are going to lose lots and lots of people.

    Yes, the discourse will be more civil, but it will be a lot less interesting and gloves-off.

    I disliked the repeated text spammer and the occasional flame war, but I think there are better ways out there. Character limits. Moderators, that sort of thing.

    I lament the passing of this community.

  • great solution…

  • I’m really shocked that folks are choosing not to take part in the site simply because they now need an actual user name. How lame! There will still be interesting banter and great debates!

  • “Thanks, this will definitely help your website. Now what should be implemented next is a removal of commenting privileges if someone just comes into the discussions just to get a rise out of others. It’s counter-productive and childish.”

    Or does not support my (our) Point of view. I think this is a major turning point in the campaign. The Asshat are getting slaughtered and decide to change the rules now, this is very convenient for this Blog.

    I wonder who will get these “commenting privileges” gwbrubaker?? You see at this point everything is going down the drain. No one can (within reason) make a case for buying a house now, cheering on the Mutant Asset Bubble or servicing hugh debt loads.

    If I get removed from this Blog, that will be the beginning of the end of the war…

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end…

  • Big mistake. You have a lively comments section, that is open to everyone. This will severely restrict commenting and kill this blog. Why do people care about too many comments. Ignore the ones you don’t want to read.

  • I’ve noticed a lot more “guest” commenters lately and less bold type posters. Probably because so many of us are tired of being hounded and insulted and jumped on by the same few trolls. the community will hardly disappear, in fact we will probably have better discussions that far more relevant.

    Mr. B is right- user names are still anonymous except for one thing. He has to verify them and my guess is that the truly malicious “guests” like don’t want that at all.

  • daveinbedstuy

    12:11 “By the time its over, you’ll look back with nostalgia on many of those “guest” posters”

    How could we know which ones to look back on?

  • So basically the site will just be Biff talking to himself from now on?

    Not exactly. It will be Biff talking to daveinbedstuy, nokilissa and bxgrl, which is almost the same thing, but not quite. Monrose Morris will represent the lone voice of reason and intelligence.

  • Brownstoner was so awesome. It SUCKS that it’s come to this.

  • daveinbedstuy

    How lazy can you guests be if you can’t go from logging in as guest to typing a login and a password?

    Good riddance.

  • “It’s like rubbernecking at a crime scene – you hang out to see the mayhem but you’re not giving your name to the officers.”

    RIIII-GHT!!! Signing up with a created name is like ratting on yourself. No way I’m revealing my IP to the cops (i.e., Mr. “Marauding Teens are Harassing Me” Brownstoner). Buh-bye.

  • Exactly 12:38. Biff and Dave, 24/7. Can’t wait.

    Dave: get a job.

  • daveinbedstuy

    12:28 ” You have a lively comments section, that is open to everyone. This will severely restrict commenting and kill this blog.”

    It’s still open to everyone. Jeesh

    Mr. B. you should now post the number of registered guests and the number online at any one time.

    I bet it will continue to rise.

  • This is what the idiots at gothamist did, too. Never very entertaining, it quickly became the most boring blog around due to the limited number of off the cuff comments. See ya Brownstoner. RIP.

  • Sadly, this will in no way reduce the sheer number of absolutely pointless bxgrl posts.

    And daveinbedstuy: EAT A BOWL OF DICKS.

  • daveinbedstuy

    12:50…got one!

    Will your union job allow you to post other than lunchtime?

    Apologies to the others for “cross-threading”

  • Biff Champion

    “So basically the site will just be Biff talking to himself from now on?”

    67 posts and 2 from me. They are so good at misinforming and skewing facts that I’m thinking all the faded type trolls can now go look for work campaigning with the Republicans.

    Oh, I almost forgot:
    Hey, Bxgrl, wonderful to see you here again!!!

  • Biff Champion

    12:50, you’re 100% correct. I can’t wait!

    That’s it, 12:59, get in all the trolling insults you can…your time is coming to an end!

  • I had been feeling it for the last few weeks, and I also will choose not to comment any longer on brownstoner.

    I don’t think this this is a bad idea, but it’s certainly not a good one either.

    This will eliminate much of the interesting conversations that go on and/or are sparked by anonymous readers and commenters.

    This will be more of the asinine comments between the gay mafia (biff and dave).

  • daveinbedstuy

    12:59 I’ve never heard that one before. LOL

    How does one get “A BOWL OF DICKS?” Obviously you’ve got some experience there.

    Login loser!!!

  • Biff, you type pretty well considering you and daveinbedstuy are so busy jerking each other off…

    “your time is coming to an end!”

    Oooh. I’m shaking with teh fear! Seriously: how hard is it to create the user name ‘Biff Chumpion Tosses Salads’?

    I’ll report back with that answer!

  • 12:59- Dave prefers his dicks between a nice pair of buns, not in a bowl.

  • Biff Champion

    1:04 genius: “I don’t think this this is a bad idea, but it’s certainly not a good one either.”

    So, it’s not good and it’s not bad? We’re really going to miss your astute observations and homophobia. It’s a real shame you won’t be commenting going forward.

  • too bad, 1:04, we’ll really miss those creative zingers!

  • daveinbedstuy

    I didn’t know there was such a thing as the “gay mafia” Biff however is straight but might be allowed in as an honorary member.

    Does the gay mafia “wank” people instead of “whack” them?

  • I’m checking out but I wish the blog (and everyone on it) well. And you’ll still see my sorry ass at the Flea!

  • Biff Champion

    1:10 showing more of that faded type troll maturity that will soon be a thing of the past. Buh bye.

  • daveinbedstuy

    1:11 AndYouWillKnowUsBy…Does your landlord allow you to bring home that TrailofRenters from Chelsea every night?

    I can just imagine you logging in and misspelling that name all the time. Bet you’re sorry you created that one!!!

  • Biff obviously never heard of the idea of a neutral change. Its all black and white, good or bad etc.

  • “Biff however is straight”

    Straight to the next boy!

  • 12:59- no, I’m hoping to at least match you in pointlessness. Gee- that’ll be tough.

  • bye. I’ve contributed lots of interesting comments over the past 3+ years, but I really don’t want my employer tracking me.

  • Biff Champion

    “AndYouWillKnowUsbyTheTrailofRenters”, please refer the following comment by Mr. B that will soon be of interest to you:

    “along with our ability to boot anyone who steps out of bounds”.

    You might just end up with the honor of being the first bold type guest to have your IP address blocked.

  • If this thread is any indication of how things will be going in the future, I think I’ll pass.

    This Dave/Biff stuff honestly is ruining the blog.

    NOT the guest posts.

    Take a vote. I guarantee you’ll find the same. My entire office used to read and comment on Brownstoner religiously. After Dave and Biff took over, I’m the only one who still even reads the blog, and I’ve about had it with the comments section.

    Those two really ruin any chances of intelligent conversation on this website.

  • just block dave and biff and the quality of this website would improve overnight…

  • daveinbedstuy

    1:18 you will now be known to everyone as the loser that you are with that name.

    It’ll be as if you’re trying to have a conversation with someone face-to-face but you’ve got a nose piercing and so nobody’s listening to what you’re saying, just seeing the ridiculous nose piercing.

  • Whether you’re logged in as “guest” or “mrsilly” has absolutely no impact on whether your employer, or anyone else for that matter, can track you! None at all. The only difference is that we will have an email address associated with your username that won’t get released to anyone under any circumstances. This will make it easier to stop trolls and easier for you to develop an online identity on the site that other readers can interact with, trust (or not), etc. It will also make it easier down the line to use the more service-oriented features that will be added to the site. In no way does registering for an account under an alias raise the chance of your employer tracking your activities.

  • Dave: I saved my log-in, no way I am typing that every time.

  • It’s unlikely that I will continue contributing to this blog but I can’t say that I blame you for taking this step. Good luck. At least you’ll be rid of that d*mned spammer.

  • I work as a vice president at one of the top NY brokerages, and while many of you probably hate my kind, I also have insider information at times that I like to post anonymously.

    I am not one to tout a property, but there are brokers who tip off brownstoner and this new system will put an end to that for us. From now on in our office, Bstoner is off limits.

  • How is it, then, that someone figured out who Crown Heights Proud was? He never posted with his real name, but someone was able to figure it out.

  • Wonderful. Now we can have all “bold type” guests and a proportional increase in in the “Did you see Desperate Housewives last night?” discussions between certain unnamed registered posters.

    hhh…

    Having registered guests will be no guarantee of that this site will achieve a “sense of community back to its roots”. Some of the most lively postings are “grey text”.

    How many truly malicious posts are being sent to the site daily?

    Aside from the person who loads seemingly endless cut-n-pastes of those two paragraphs talking about the contractor, etc., is the Brownstoner intern/staff spending really *that* much time daily deleting posts?

    Oh, well…

  • Biff Champion

    It’s flattering when guests are so enamored with us (dare we say obsessed) that they’ll actually want to use a login name that’s a take-off of our id’s.

  • if employers tracked this stuff, dave would have been fired 10 times over.

    but i guess those guys at micky d’s love his “style”

  • Unintended consequence

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintended_consequence

    Unintended consequences are outcomes that are not (or not limited to) what the actor intended in a particular situation. The unintended results may be foreseen or unforeseen, but they should be the logical or likely results of the action.

    I hope Brownstoner makes everyone get a Log-In. All the banter will be between Dave and little bitch boy Biff. They can discuss the finer points of “Prostate Massaging”.

    Please Brownstoner, just do it…

    The What (LMMFAOROTMFF)

    Someday this war is gonna end…

  • Same goes for the brokers who are worried about detection…Just sign up for an account with a made up name and a random yahoo or gmail account and, presto, it’s no different than commenting as a guest in terms of outside detection.

  • EVERY website I know of which has switched to registered only guests was “over” within the span of 6 months.

    I GUARANTEE this is not going to be helpful for this website. You can see from the above thread how confusing and idiotic the conversations become when a few middle aged men with too much time on their hands create multiple registered screenames and start talking to themselves.

    You all MUST realize that half of the above names above you have never seen before are Biff and Dave, correct??

  • yeah, Facebook is doing terribly, 1:35!

  • I’ll register if you offer a kill command so I can avoid ever seeing a comment from biff or dave again. Just give me the choice.

  • The case of CHP also crossed my mind.

    Mr. B, so you know how CHP’s identity was revealed? If so, will it be impossible for the same thing to happen again?

  • ATTN Corcoran Brokers:

    This is your boss. We find out you are posting on here, you WILL be fired.

  • Facebook is a device intended to bring people together. It’s a social networking website.

    This is (or was) an anonymous blog about real estate.

    YOU, 1:36 are a true moron.

  • Biff Champion

    “You all MUST realize that half of the above names above you have never seen before are Biff and Dave, correct??”

    Um, no. Sorry. Incorrect. So you’re saying having countless faded type trolls isn’t at all confusing in trying to determine who’s saying what? Enjoy your last few days of trolling…

  • At one time people said that CHP’s identity was given away by information that he himself provided on his profile page. However, that does not wash because in additional to CHP’s name, his phone number was also posted here. And the phone number was never included on the profile page. So, before I feel comfortable with the new change, I want to know that the past will not repeat itself.

  • daveinbedstuy

    1:31 its different when you’re part of management or a partnership!! You’d never understand that though…back to work now.

    And 1:28 you may work at a brokerage but probably the guy who puts up the For Sale signs. What kind of inside information is there in the RE business?

    “Oh..this house is coming up for sale!”

    “The seller will really take a lower price”

    “That block is calandered for landmark status”

    Your post should be Quote of The Day

  • CHP might have her own theories, but our best guess is that she was a vocal member of the Crown Heights community offline as well as online and the person who outed her knew her and was able to make a good educated guess. That’s just a theory though.

  • Not bad as a theory, Mr. B, but it’s not good enough for me. I am sorry and I wish you only the very best.

  • Brownstoner,

    please hire someone to tweak MoveableType to suit your needs. There are many plug-ins and configuration options that can prevent abuse of the comment system.

    how will forcing people to create accounts help?

    it’s pretty easy to create a webmail account from anywhere and continue the abuse anonymously. what you need to do is put a few safeguards in place (throttles, length limits, etc).

    -longtime reader/guest poster since blogspot.

  • A good educated guess? Of someone’s PHONE NUMBER?!!!!

    Surely you jest!

  • Boom! Great decision. People only sign in as guests for extra cover when they want to be rude (or when super-lazy like moi). Will someone explain why rudeness and meanness on a lifestyle blog makes sense?

    There is no “whole covert Race/Class thing,” the What. And that blather makes it so much less enjoyable to read the blog.

  • But 1:45, if you’re worried about that, just sign up with a random username using a random yahoo email address and don’t put your real name under the account information. If you do that, there’s zero, zero difference between being logged in and commenting as a guest.

  • daveinbedstuy

    1:35 name those websites!!

    Buff Tosses on His Salad…please grow up. Very third gradish of you. But if you’re asking to see it you might be pleasantly surprised.

    Mr. B you can now toss a tosser like that for remarks like that…as you said you would.

  • Brownstoner

    Onward and upward, brownstoner. Most sites that I go to regularly require registration to comment. In fact, some of them require a 24-hour waiting period after registration before you can make your first comment. And these are all wildly successful sites with thriving comment sections.

  • i won’t comment much more/less than i do now. although i do usually use my tag. mostly, i lurk/read.

    in the case of an angry comment i might make when incensed by some of the fools on here i usually prefer to be anonymous. so no more “little miss cranky” from me! just “little polly cheerful” from here on out!

    (THE WHAT: i love you. really. don’t change!)

  • I don’t understand why people care. No one knows who I am or who anyone else with a log-in is. It is still anonymous. Just make a fake name and email, log-in and save your password and the only thing that will be different is your bold face type. Deadspin probably has the most commenters on the web and they require log-ins. People say crazy, dirty, stupid things without concern because it is still anonymous!

  • “Mr. B you can now toss a tosser like that for remarks like that…as you said you would.”

    Here we are at the slippery slope (not to be confused with Park Slope). Dave, you and Biff post the most garbage here and now you are screaming for Brownstoner to do something about it.

    This Blog has 1. Jumped the shark, 2. Seeing the implosion of the MREB is now trying to “Control” people thoughts.

    Good luck with that and BTW Brownstoner with Dave and Biff you can crossover into a Gay Blog. They will show the finer points of not gagging while getting “Tea-bagged”

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end…

  • “Mr. B you can now toss a tosser like that for remarks like that…as you said you would.”

    You’re an idiot and a hypocrite, daveinbedstuy.

    If you haven’t been tossed yet for trolling and sockpuppetry, what makes you think anyone will?

    And you’ve shown us all how easy it is to make throw-away accounts (just like this one) to troll this board. How many sockpuppets did you have again? You’ve also shown us that one can troll freely, laugh about it, and not be banned.

    Just give up the self-righteousness and quit kissing ‘stoner’s ass. It looks more ridiculous than you and Biff getting your fat-man sexy time on.

  • Brownstoner

    I guess my support of registration would mean more if I could get the site to display my name as “Amy” instead of “Anonymous” :-)

  • Good! Thanks for doing this Mr. B!

  • I have to say that I like being anonymous because I’m somewhat ashamed/embarrassed by my addiction to brownstoner. It’s like alcoholics anonymous – some addictions you want to keep to yourself. It’s also embarrassing to become passionate about something so stupid as real estate – i.e., I hate park slope/I love park slope, renters should die/renters rule. People like to get these feelings out, but they recognize that they’re somewhat ridiculous and don’t necessarily want people to be able to track how often they feel the need to express these quintessentially new york-y (and hostile) sentiments. Nevertheless, these are the sentiments that make this blog addictive and fun to read. I actually think that if you met the guest posters they would probably the most normal people in this “community.”

  • “If you do that, there’s zero, zero difference between being logged in and commenting as a guest.”

    THEN WHY ARE YOU DOING IT???

    DO YOU SEE HOW DUMB THIS IS BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION??

  • daveinbedstuy

    Cobblehiller that’s exactly the point. You have a login but lurk behind a faded type guest when your true colors come out. Shame.

    I will spout off whatever logged in and don’t really care what people say or think about me.

    When I was using BTG for the fun of it when this whole thing initially came up for discussion BTG was probably a kinder, gentler person. LOL

    I applaud you for your honesty.

  • Okay great but how the heck to you get a user name. I’m looking and I can’t find it

  • Brownstoner, the last time you tried this it really sucked. Now you think you can do the same thing again, but achieve a different result.

    Care to elaborate?

  • daveinbedstuy

    From the What…”Dave, you and Biff post the most garbage here”

    Uhhmmm…and what is all that crap that you post all day long into the wee hours of the morning What?

    Pot, Kettle maybe?

  • 2:02,
    You’ll still be anonymous, but if other readers care, they’ll be able to see all the comments made by your made-up username. That’s it. It’s not like your comments are going to be thrown back at you at your next interview! Or create two usernames, one for your stupid comments and one for your smart ones. The choice is yours.

  • daveinbedstuy

    brownstoner writes…”Or create two usernames, one for your stupid comments and one for your smart ones. The choice is yours.”

    I spit out my coffee at that one!!!

  • brownstoner – that would be far too complicated. But thank you for your concern.

  • 2:08,
    There are probably 10 times as many readers now as when we tried this back in 2006…Obvs we won’t know until we try whether this will work, but if the level of discussion can be elevated and the service elements of the site can be better expanded, it’ll be worth some trade-off in traffic. Of course, we could be completely wrong but there’s only one way to find out. We think it’s worth the gamble.

  • Good idea!

  • actually Dave…my point is that i don’t want mr. b & his minions knowing who i am when i am pissed off…or cutting me off for blasting some numnuts when the fool is mouthing off…hence…cobblehiller = polly cheerful ..gasp, gag, choke, pleh, heh, heh.

    there is an air of “big brother” about…and call me paranoid…i like to avoid people getting in my business.

    cobblehiller also happens to be a tag i use elsewhere, so i try to “protect the brand” …ha ha ha ha ha!

  • “From the What…”Dave, you and Biff post the most garbage here”

    Uhhmmm…and what is all that crap that you post all day long into the wee hours of the morning What?

    Pot, Kettle maybe?”

    No Dave, I post things relevant to our way of life.. Our financial system is broken. The years of excess will take America into a depression.

    I use sources from main-stream media and I yet to see some Asshat refute them. In about a month this whole thing is going come crashing around your heads. This is the reason you can’t stand me Dave, also because you didn’t have enough insight to see this coming.

    So Dave and Biff have fun because you will be the only posters left on this Blog. Showing the finer points of “Gerbil Jamming”

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end..

    BTW Dave you have some hating you more than me, LMMFAO!

  • Biff Champion

    The Fake What and Biff Chumpion Tosses Salads: trolling is one thing, but what do you get out of making homophobic remarks? I couldn’t care less whether you think I’m gay or straight, but it’s unfortunate in this day and age that you resort to statements that display a clear and intense hostility to a specific group.

  • daveinbedstuy

    cobblehiller are you the “guest” who always complains when he/she hears BOCOCA? LOL

  • CHP was inadvertently outed by someone in the community who foolishly posted info on several people for a perfectly legitimate event -unfortunately not taking into account the malicious brownstoner trolls. It had nothing to do with the registration process but be aware you can put information in the registration page that will be public unless you make sure to keep it private in the settings.

    What registration is doing is protecting people from spammers and trolls who have no compunctions about being nasty, pornographic or evil. It gives Mr. B a way to verify someone. And delete or block them. It won’t be perfect but it’s better than this.

    And for those of you who think registering will out you to your bosses- it will no more so than guest posting. Companies can easily track where you’ve been surfing on any company computer, so posting anonymously isn’t protecting you from big brother in any way.

  • “…but it’s unfortunate in this day and age that you resort to statements that display a clear and intense hostility to a specific group.”

    It’s the 21st century. We learned to be tolerant of other people’s intolerance.

  • Biff Champion

    “Gerbil Jamming”. Fake What, what main-stream media source did you use for that beauty?

  • “CHP was inadvertently outed by someone in the community who foolishly posted info on several people for a perfectly legitimate event -unfortunately not taking into account the malicious brownstoner trolls.”

    I’m sure you wouldn’t post this unless you’re in a position to prove it. So, please, proceed…

  • cobblehiller-maybe it is a little 1984-ish but looking back I haven’t noticed Mr. B caring about people having extremely er..lively discussions but he also doesn’t want stuff to get out of hand as it has in the past with one troll posting links to horrific pictures that people inadvertently looked at thinking they were about real estate. I doubt he has the time or the wherewithal to read every single post but it someone complains, he can block the poster if need be. Lots of blogs have a link for reporting offensive posts and then it’s up to the webmaster.

    FYI- for those posters who love harassing other posters, not only is it illegal anyway, bu Mr. B will be able to use your email address- junk email or no- to track you. so those of you who want to sling mud and insults, you can do that to your hearts content but this time the people you harass can actually fight back.

  • daveinbedstuy

    2:30 of course you’re right…”Freedom is The Right To Hate”

    What…you were wrong yesterday on the interest rate for the Fannie Mae debt issue and you weren’t man enough to admit it after I pointed it out. You are just here for my amusement.

  • no…i couldn’t care less.

    although the first time i heard the term BOCOCA it made me laugh so hard i cried and pee’d in my pants….guess you had to be t/here…for 40 years…to get it.

  • Biff Champion

    Mr. B, if you’re serious about booting anyone who steps out of bounds and trying to reduce the nastiness, why don’t you get and early start and boot those with new IDs who are attacking homosexuals?

  • i beg you not to include me in the mud-slinging and insulting, bxgril, thank you. that’s not what i’m about.

  • Hating isn’t a right. It’s a privilege. Unfortunately, some of us take it for granted.

  • Yes, I didn’t even realize it, but I’m one of those long-time-ish (3 years) readers who started sitting on the sidelines after some very nasty responses to my posts. Very much a turn-off, even though I still read the site.

  • Mr. B, X said something naughty and I think you should boot him.

    No, Mr. B, Y hurt my feewings, so you should ban him!

    But Mr. B, I contribute so many good posts to this blog! You should really ban the people *I* tell you to ban.

    etc. etc. etc. This is shaping up real well.

  • daveinbedstuy

    It’s no big deal Biff. They’ve always been around and always will. They’ll come back registered under another email address.

    And if I were spending a lot of time in gay bars, porn shops and places like the Gaiety Theatre I’m sure I’d see them there. They think their wives, girlfriends and co-workers don’t know but they always do.

  • “you can do that to your hearts content but this time the people you harass can actually fight back.”

    So, using entirely made-up names or simply random strings of characters, someone creates a throwaway email address on hotmail and uses it to register on Brownstoner.

    This gives you the ability to fight back how?

  • “What…you were wrong yesterday on the interest rate for the Fannie Mae debt issue and you weren’t man enough to admit it after I pointed it out. You are just here for my amusement.”

    No Home skillet, you didn’t read my reply. But just in case here ya go… Careful this is a PDF file…

    http://www.fanniemae.com/ir/pdf/resources/preferred/PreferredStockSeries2008_1.pdf;jsessionid=LXTCWH1XO3BBTJ2FECISFGI

    8.75% Non-Cumulative Mandatory Convertible Preferred Stock, Series 2008-1

    This Offering Circular relates to the offer of 45,000,000 shares of 8.75% Non-Cumulative Preferred Stock.

    You see Retard if you would have taken the time to READ it, you would’ve understand where I was coming from..

    ” couldn’t care less whether you think I’m gay or straight, but it’s unfortunate in this day and age that you resort to statements that display a clear and intense hostility to a specific group.”

    Awwww Biff, is your throng on too tight? Or maybe Dave didn’t give a reach around last night? Don’t worry just put some ice on it..

    “Mr. B, if you’re serious about booting anyone who steps out of bounds and trying to reduce the nastiness, why don’t you get and early start and boot those with new IDs who are attacking homosexuals?”

    See I told ya.. Biff = Wank Wank!

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end…

  • daveinbedstuy

    2:50 seems to be one of the few that understands how ridiculous the whole thing really is. This is internet sit-com people.

    Even Mr. B can’t help it sometimes like when he threw in that scantily clad contortionist’s pic!!!

    That said, The Forum and a lot of the posts here are interesting, useful and informative. That can’t change. I started on here because I really wanted to learn things about Brooklyn before I moved here. Its gone way beyond that now!! LOL

  • How about allowing people to create a user name without having to give your e-mail? If you just commenters to be able to follow up comments from a certain reader. The annoying part about registering is having to create a name.. password.. get the e-mail for verification.. and then confirm your account name from some link that the e-mail sends you. Sometimes you just wanna say something and thats it.

    I will admit I am lazy at signing up for sites because as it is.. I already have about 30 different accounts on a bunch of sites. Registering to a blog seems kind of pointless when in reality what draws me to this site.. is to read the snark. As much as it has irritated me to read things here because I feel people can be close minded and trash something from one experience… I just keep checking. So why register?..

    Commenting as a guest allows you to quickly give your say while you are all riled up from reading something that outraged you.. or you comment because you feel compelled to have your words be digest by readers. Sometimes its good.. sometimes its bad. But… in the overall.. doing away with guests is just BS.

    Hey.. how about going to Yahoo and doing some deal with them and let people log in using their yahoo names.. wouldn’t that be a great way to get even more revenue Mr B. People will log on Yahoo.. search random things there.. they see a link to brownstoner on the top and CLICK.. you will increase your readers by the herds.. but of course.. this is crazy.. what was I thinking..

    I’ll miss logging in as a guest to say something.. Maybe I’ll register.. maybe I won’t.. but as it stands.. right now.. I

  • “And if I were spending a lot of time in gay bars, porn shops and places like the Gaiety Theatre I’m sure I’d see them there.”

    I think you just used the tactic of inferring someone is gay as an insult! LOL. It’s only homophobic when other people do it, eh daveinbedstuy?

    Like I said before: idiot and a hypocrite.

  • Let’s see. Today is Thursday and an bunch of people are predicting what will happen … starting Monday. Is there, like, a prize or something for getting it right? I mean, why not just wait until next week and the rest of the summer to find out? Nahhhh, where’s the fun in that?

  • Biff Champion

    Oh yeah, the scantily clad contortionist typist! I almost forgot. Now THAT was one great thread!

  • 2:28 (Bxgrl) says:

    “What registration is doing is protecting people from spammers and trolls who have no compunctions about being nasty, pornographic or evil. It gives Mr. B a way to verify someone. And delete or block them. It won’t be perfect but it’s better than this.”

    so The What’s comments (registered user) in this very thread about:

    not choking while teabagging
    gerbil jamming
    fatman sex

    Are considered acceptable as a registered user?

  • daveinbedstuy

    What…you misunderstand again…get a textbook and figure out the differences between debt, preferred stock, cumulative preferred stock, etc, etc etc.

    Cumulative Preferred Stock is an equity ownership and it’ll get screwed. The debt that was issued was 2 yr debt at 74 basis points above Treasuries.

    You got a really thick head.

  • Its illegal to harass other posters?

    care to point to NYS Penal Law, any particular section?

  • daveinbedstuy

    Buff the Salad Tosser….I never insulted them I just implied that they too were probably closet homosexuals. Look up the psychiatric research on homophobes.

    You really look like an idiot when you try to argue something logically.

  • Mr. B,

    While I applaud your decision to eliminate the obviously more annoying elements on this website, I want to take this final opportunity to call everybody I don’t like an ASSHAT, DOUCHEBAG, FUCKTARD!!!!

    That is all.

    -guest

  • daveinbedstuy

    Barf Champion The Salad Tosser…you have posted 5 comments since you registered today. EACH ONE OF THEM had a derogatory gay remark.

    Is there a pattern here? Are you trying to “come out.” Are you a “pitcher” or a “catcher?”

    To all others I apologize for the guest ALL CAPS style of posting.

  • “FYI- for those posters who love harassing other posters, not only is it illegal anyway, bu Mr. B will be able to use your email address- junk email or no- to track you. so those of you who want to sling mud and insults, you can do that to your hearts content but this time the people you harass can actually fight back.”

    i support the policy change, but i have a problem with this view. mr. b neither can nor should “track” people who misbehave on the site, or provide e-mail addresses of misbehavers to other users who feel aggrieved. no one should feel like registering for an account means they are being “tracked”; at worst, people who abuse their posting/commenting privileges should have their accounts shut down, period. and there is nothing “illegal” about being a jerk online. i’m not sure what bxgrl has in mind here but it sounds pernicious.

  • “Cumulative Preferred Stock is an equity ownership and it’ll get screwed. The debt that was issued was 2 yr debt at 74 basis points above Treasuries.”

    No Stupid.

    “You got a really thick head.”

    Ahhh Dave that’s a gay remark. I don’t get down like that but you can holla at your favorite Asshat Biff…

    The What (Buh Bye)

    Someday this war is gonna end…

  • daveinbedstuy

    What I’m sure you’ve been on the DL both in prison and out. I hear it never really changes once you get out of the slammer.

    Admit when you don’t get it or are just wrong. Capital structure (debt & equity ownership) is just way over your head…the thick one..the one on top of your shoulders.

  • daveinbedstuy

    Biff tell @sshat here that you “ain’t no holla back girl!”

  • Is this a celebration for national noogies week?

    Noogies for you!

  • I wish Jack was here. He is probably smiling for ear to ear after reading this post

  • I’m a regular poster with a regular user name.

    But look what ID I just snagged to make snarky comments? hehe

    Ya know, ‘Stoner, you say that one can read people’s posts to get a sense of who they are. I complained to you, under my other username, some time ago, that most of the posts people make are in fact not saved.

    Since you’re paying close attention to this thread, care to comment?

  • “Bowl of Dicks”

    ROTFLMMFAO!

  • daveinbedstuy

    LOL Guest Poster…be careful what you wish for. A lot of the crazies on here go berserk when they find out you’re doing this.

    It was a real circus when I slipped and posted as BTG when I was commenting to something that was directed to DIBS.

    Anyway, my “fake registered login” is better than yours na na na na na. LOL

    This will be fun come Monday

  • Ysabelle, you giving out nooky today? Email me, I’ll meet you at the new hotel in Crown Heights.

  • I just found this site through Patrick.net –the comments here are hilarious (and btw the What’s got it right). Hopefully tracking posters won’t ruin a good thing.

    Very Happy Renter

  • Mr. B …. Since you seem to be steering the blog clear of cowardly comments, lets take a moment to address something that has been on my mind for a few weeks. You made some blasting and unfounded comment about Mirrors bar/ lounge on Grand Ave in a posting that should have been dedicated to the farewell to Grand 276 (which btw was a wicked send off!!).
    You got some heat about it from readers and you then instead of retracting the statement in the same form that you announced it, you just pulled the posting. I was shocked by your cowardly behavior and the contradiction to your current attempt to put BS to rest.

    I can only hope that was an anomaly. Time will tell.

    Ms. Guest

  • Finally. About time. And well done.

    Begone ye trolls!

  • “we will have an email address associated with your username that won’t get released to anyone under any circumstances.”

    Exactly – I will have an e-mail address associated with my name. Regardles of the best intentions, that information could get out. I post anonymously because I want to REMAIN anymous, even to Mr. Brownstoner. Why would I trust him to keep information in confidence? Oh, and I don’t use profanity, or post spam. But I won’t be posting here anymore after today.

  • I support this change. I’ve been a guest on Brownstoner for a long time and have been reading less and less due to all the negativity and trolls. I’m hoping the elimination of guests will raise the quality of discussion here. Thanks for addressing this issue, Brownstoner.

  • Sorry cobblehiller- certainly didn’t intend that.

    z- tracking isn’t my intention- not trying to promote perniciousness :-). What I was referring to is that certain people do harass and sometimes post things that are above and beyond simple trollism. If someone complains, Mr. B can check and decide if the poster should be blocked. Name calling and arguing isn’t the issue- it’s posting links to awful pictures- and if you accidentally clicked on one of those thinking you’d see a lovely building and instead saw a photo of a man burned to death you’d know exactly the kind of thing I mean. The copy-and-paste spammer? Mr. B would have some way to block him because he can conceivably complain to gmail or yahoo and they would be able to track someone to block them.

    It’s about censoring anyone- it’s about being able to stop people from posting someone’s personal information or porn links. And never under any circumstances would he publish anyone’s email address, which is what he’s said. If someone’s way out of line- and trust me, I’ve taken a lot of hits from the trolls so I know- what’s wrong with having them blocked? People can scream and yell and toss around all the insults they want but we all know there have been posts that go far beyond and I have no problem saying those should be blocked.

    Some so-called guests have used the site to consistently bash a number of us over and over- they’re not posting anything useful, they’re just getting their rocks off at our expense. I certainly don’t advocate the thought police- Spoil Biff and Dave and the What’s fun? Never, not I. On the other hand it’s no fun to see them getting bashed over and over just for the heck of it. It brings

  • Brownstoner’s toast. Maybe he really is that stupid. I doubt it though. I can’t see why he’d waste his time running a real estate blog with completely inane comments from people who sound like they are 13 years old having useless arguments with various made up personalities, that no one not involved in the conversation would even read. Ever see the comments on Curbed? This is what you’ll be left with. It’ll be so dumb that even the handful of commenters with names whose comments are informative will stop posting, except those who have a service to sell, and even they’ll stop posting eventually when they realize there are only 13 year olds reading the comments.

    On the other hand, it is possible Brownstoner knows this, and this change is about a business decision to evolve the site into something else (more commercial?) and the comments really aren’t the issue, he’s just trying to cut down on them. Stay tuned – I likely won’t. Just as well – it is an amusing waste of time, but still ultimately a big waste of time, to spend time reading here.

  • What 4:11 said. What’s up with that, Mr. Brownstoner?

  • ditto what 4:27 said. That’s the position of all the smart and reasonable people I know about posting on blogs – never giving an email address. Which is why you will lose the reasonable people and descend into irrelevancy.

  • speaking of 13 year olds leaving dumb and uninformative comments, check out my new username. hee hee hee!

  • “It’ll be so dumb that even the handful of commenters with names whose comments are informative will stop posting”

    I really hope not, 4:31. but if you look at the site lately, it’s been more and more guests and nastier and nastier. A lot of regulars have stopped posting over the last few years and they were people who had a great deal to contribute. A lot of them post as guest but it all gets lost in the chaos. I really don’t thing its a business decision in the sense you mean. Without the comments, which indicate hits and interest, a blog isn’t a blog.

  • @ 4:11 comment
    Did they really pull a post out? Wow.. Anyone have any cached or reference to that post?

    I would love to read what the comments had to say

    Mr. B. care to give an input as to why that post was yanked?

  • @4:57 yep the post was pulled.

  • I really wish I had a job. :-)

  • Odd to see people like bxgirl and others who regularly call people names complaining about comments being nasty. There’s no logic…

  • Actually, the comments on curbed are lightyears ahead of the typical posts on this site.

    What’s paradoxical about this is that the registered users are typically the ones who drag the discussions down into the muck. So, I fail to see the rationale behind this move.

  • To guest poster 4:02 pm
    Don’t forget to bring the kosher hot dogs. I ‘ll bring the Manishewitz and we’ll have a party. I hope this invitation is not for shabbos.

  • “Actually, the comments on curbed are lightyears ahead” in vitriol and snarkiness.

  • Dear “bxgrl is an idiot”- I wish you had a job too. then maybe you could do something with your life instead of worrying so much about mine. I have no idea what makes you so malicious or such an unbelievable jerk (oooh- name calling!) but I really gotta wonder what sort of life you have if you really think you’re accomplishing something here. I see you sitting behind your little computer, chortling to yourself about how you’re going to flame us all and impress us with your wit, imagination and skill with words. Note to bgiai: not working.

    But thanks for giving me a user name to ask Mr. B to delete. I’m sure in your immaturity you’ll simply set up another user name, even more stupid and childish than this one. It’s impossible to believe you can hold down a job let alone own a home. In fact I seriously doubt you’re capable of either. but suit yourself- make as much of an idiot of yourself as you like. i know you won’t disappoint me.

    5:45- sigh, Sadly yes- it’s all me, all my fault. mea culpa mea culpa. (Er… you are aware this is sarcasm, correct? Hard to know if some of you have IQs high enough to recognize it.)

  • Actually, last time this was discussed, someone wrote that Brownstoner has a sour, sarcastic, etc. tone in his posts himself – and this invites it from others. I have to agree, really. I’m used to it (having worked with the I-banker types), but that doesn’t make it charming. I think other (nicer) people ignore it and write comments in spite of the general tone.

    Seems to me if the tone of discussions was to improve, it would start with (1) Brownstoner changing his tone, and (2) Acting like a real moderator and deleting the name calling and prejucidial statements.

    It should be what people write, not their made-up online handles, or their previous posts, that matters. (I can dislike an obnoxious poster on some issues, but agree with them on others – who they are, or pretend to be, is irrelevant.) The text is what matters…all else is totally irrelevant.

    Since (1) is probably impossible, (2) won’t happen either. Ain’t. gonna. happen…

  • wow… so this is what happens when people start going at each other and not even really using reason to put the other one down.. bravo .. bravo! How about.. I can only imagine Mr B. trying to look into IP addresses to see a pattern on the commentors and who they attack.. and somehow.. send FBI in for a raid at the IP address to take that punk to jail (I may even count as a punk)

    btw.. where the heck did BXGRL get that people can face the judicial system for slandering online? If that was the case.. Mr B would have sent so many to people to jail by now cuz we keep calling him and his crew out. asking them for validation and proof for some of their posts.. IFFFFF we were slandering his good name.. why wouldn’t he sue us? Why would he even allow the people overseeing the comments to let the comments about how much Brownstoner sucks to be blocked from the get go. Gosh i miss reading about clemens and his trainer… BTW BXGIRL.. you sound like a hollering monkey after its banana was taken away..

  • Mr. B–I approve. I’ve been following Brownstoner for quite some time, posting occasionally (5-6 times tops) as a guest. I like the information, the pictures, the links to other things Brooklyn. I love the exciting discussions, but since last summer there are fewer of them and more outright dismissals of the comments of others due to disagreement. What is this: the cyber version of “Talk to the Hand.”

    I don’t like the trolls, and they have gotten more viTROLLic (vitriolic) over time. Rein them in a bit; make them think about common bonds of politeness.

    In reference to the comment about web sites “dying within 6 months if people are forced to have registered user names.”

    Check out:
    The various home forums of Garden Web
    Ikeafans
    Various pet owners forums
    These are very active and mostly quite polite. I have others but won’t bore people with a longer list.

    I hope it works, because this site is a useful resource for us! (Thanks, Mr. B!)

    Will I register? Probably. But maybe not, since I haven’t had too much INFORMATION (not commentary) to contribute, and haven’t had any questions that I desired an answer to.

  • I only sound like one- you are one.

    And there is such a thing as internet harassment. Maybe you should research a little before you post? Oh wait- my mistake. that would mean you had some intelligence.

  • LOL – internet harrassment on a site that YOU, bxgrl, have to personally point your browser to?

    you just can’t stop coming back for more, can you?

  • @6:56
    bravo.. bravo
    well put.. You hit the nail there by stating how it starts from the top.. and many of the questions put forth.. bring in snark because of the way it is expressed.

  • Bxgrl is correct. It’s called cyberstalking and according to Judge David harvey: Online harassment may also be indirect. The harasser may impersonate the victim and send abusive or
    fraudulent e-mails in the victim’s name. The victim may be subscribed to mailing lists without his or her
    consent with the result that hundreds of unwanted e-mails are received every day. Hostile Usenet posts
    about the victim may appear or the perpetrator may spread vicious rumours about the victim online
    leaving abuse messages about the victim on website guest books. The harasser may even transmit
    offensive or altered images of the victim to websites or provide personal information about the victim
    online.” Considering what happened to CHP, bxgrl is quite correct.

  • “To guest poster
    Don’t forget to bring the kosher hot dogs. I ‘ll bring the Manishewitz and we’ll have a party. I hope this invitation is not for shabbos.”

    Ysabelle, I’m circumcised and everything. See you later!

  • Well I guess this answers the question of how lively brownstoner will be after Monday- lots of new usernames and still cutthroat as ever.

  • Can I be “non bitter renter”? How about ” Park Slope Stroller milf”? Or maybe “muffintopseeker”?

  • I love this blog and have posted (what i think) are pretty helpful/useful comments. What bugs me about the new switch is that i don’t exactly WANT certain person’s attacking me and my comments – tracking the things i say on this blog and when they don’t agree, insist that “soandsoguest is a douchbag like always so who cares what soandsoquest has to say”

    I see what happens to some member posters being called out about simple opinions and i see that certain person’s take this blog kinda seriously (and not in a good way). I’ll probably get a login but there are so many off topic discussions by members that it may not be worth remebering the password.

    I disagree with a lot of things that Biff and The What and some other members who take over the comment boards have to say. I just don’t really want THEM remembering me, tracking my posts, (cause they can be harsh at times and I’m not always in the mood for a dumb blog post war) You know what i mean?

  • “I have no idea what makes you so malicious or such an unbelievable jerk (oooh- name calling!) but I really gotta wonder what sort of life you have if you really think you’re accomplishing something here. I see you sitting behind your little computer, chortling to yourself about how you’re going to flame us all and impress us with your wit, imagination and skill with words.”

    - bxgrl

    Hypocrit. :-)

  • It’s spelled Hypocrite. Sigh. you’re still a fish. still in a barrel. still such an easy target. I’m going to stop- I’m beginning to feel sorry for you, it’s just too easy.
    ————————————–

    Guest @ 8:28- believe me it’s no fun, despite my paragraph above. Biff, The What, most others- they’re not after anyone personally. the what argues points- very emphatically, true, but I don’t see him into personal malicious attacks. Biff won’t attack anyone unless he’s provoked- but neither one of them tracks people all over the blog to trash them and I’m the same way. I play defense and as you noted, there’s plenty to be played. And sad to say, there are people who have a lot of fun attacking other people just because.

    I have no problem with differences of opinion- I have a real problem with racism, insults to my intelligence and comments about my living situation or friends. I don’t care if you disagree with me, just don’t call me names because you do. After all, it’s 50/50 your (the generic “your”) opinion is wrong too. But some of the posters here can’t accept that so they resort to insults. Judging by the thread today that’s not going to change. So do what you think is best for you, and if you love the blog, get a throwaway email and a generic username. Maybe brownstoner can get rid of the post tracking or at least make it not public. Could that be done Mr. B?

  • sorry- I forgot to log in when i took a dinner break. 8:59 is me.

  • denton

    8:59, There is no post tracking. That’s a myth ‘stoner keeps spreading. Seems that ‘stoner reviews the posts and keeps the few that he likes, i.e., the ones that are actually helpful (in his view).

    For example, look at daveinbedstuy. He makes many posts per day. But according to his profile, he hasn’t made one since March 31st.

    http://www.brownstoner.com/profile/daveinbedstuy

    I see ‘stoner’s POV, and storage costs money, but there you have it,

  • Brownstoner:

    Maybe this is a good idea.

    I’ve come to enjoy it here as a space to reminisce, catch up with Brooklyn, and take a break from my hectic schedule, and I’ve actually come to look forward to reading some of your regular posters — a nice way to be in Brooklyn when I seldom ever get there.

    I also want to congratulate you on both Brownstoner and the flea, the latter a kind of home-grown urban renewal effort and perhaps one of the best examples of a transition from cyber-space to real space anywhere (when experts like Bill Mitchell thought just the reverse would happen because the Web). Some day I’ll have to get there.

    Good luck.

    Nostalgic on Park Avenue

  • “I have a real problem with racism, INSULTS TO MY INTELLIGENCE and comments about my living situation or friends.”

    - bxgrl

    “Oh wait- my mistake. that would mean you had some intelligence.”

    - bxgrl

    Hippo-crit

    You don’t want people to know about your living situation, don’t share it or lie about your situation. If you think you are going to remind us all about yourself constantly and then get pissy when we remember it, you are off your rocker.

    Never made fun of your friends. Just making you look at what you say and how it constantly contradicts itself (and frequently goes off topic).

    “I have no problem with differences of opinion”

    - bxgrl

    I disagree with everything you say. Every single thing. Get used to it.

    You have said repeatedly in earlier threads that people who posted as guest should not have their opinions taken as seriously as the logged in members…….

    “Posted by: guest at July 10, 2008 8:59 PM”

    - bxgrl

    “Biff, The What, most others- they’re not after anyone personally.”

    - bxgrl

    Are you serious? Where do I start.

    If you insist on making this site about yourself then, surprise, you are going to have to deal with the fall out.

    As for Dave, Biff and the What, they beat each other up so I don’t have to bother with them and their multiple log in names. Besides, who can top the What interesting insults.

  • Brenda from Flatbush

    Hope it works to reduce the tedious and hateful idiocy quotient. Lately, even if I wanted to comment on something, I started to wonder why I’d bother, when every thread would rapidly deteriorate into PeeWee Herman-level rubbish. Maybe this will help; there used to be some gold amid the dross.

  • “You don’t want people to know about your living situation, don’t share it or lie about your situation. If you think you are going to remind us all about yourself constantly and then get pissy when we remember it, you are off your rocker.”

    If i mentioned it, it was to make a point. I, unlike you, have nothing to hide. And if you were simply remembering, that would be one thing- but it’s more than that with you. I don’t get pissy when someone remembers, I get pissy when trolls use it to bash and insult me. If you can’t see that difference you’re dumber than I thought.

    “Hippo-crit”- see- dumber than a box of hair. I’ve given you the correct spelling and you’re still incapable of getting it right.

    “I disagree with everything you say. Every single thing. Get used to it.” I am used to it and frankly, I don’t care. You’re annoying, like a gnat, but you’ll have to be a whole lot smarter and better at debate than you are now for me to worry about you disagreeing with everything I say. In fact, I’m rather proud of that- I’d be more worried if the likes of you agreed with me on anything.

    “If you insist on making this site about yourself then, surprise, you are going to have to deal with the fall out.” Sorry- I can’t take the credit for that. On the contrary- you make it about me because whenever I post you and your other multiple selves do the thermonuclear posting thing. Thanks for doing the hard work for me :-)

    “Besides, who can top the What interesting insults.” Certainly not you.

    Don’t like me posting? Tough- get used to it.

  • Is your name Butler or is that your profession?

  • I’m glad we are going back to registration. I don’t understand why it is such a big deal. I participate in all kinds of sites that require registration in order to comment, and it is not hard to make up a name, register it, and have it saved to the site so I don’t need to log in again on most of them. I hope this works.

    I am rather disgusted by the people who have made it their mission in life to harass people they don’t like, such as the people who don’t like bxgrl, Biff and Dave. Having been on the receiving end of this myself, I hope their personal trolls get tired of the harassment, as it adds nothing to the site or to the discussions. Don’t you have anything else to do? Sheesh.

    BTW, Mr. B. None of my posts ever appear. They all disappear into the limbo of the disclaimer that you have received my posts, and will post them at your convenience, which never happens. The only reason any of my posts have appeared in the last month is because I send them to a friend, who posts them for me, including this one. I thought it was my computer, but Brownstoner is the only site that doesn’t accept my messages. Oddly enough, my posts to the forum appear, which is on a different system, as I understand it. Any ideas? (I’m sure this will cause no end of amusement to some, go ahead, bring it on.)

    Montrose Morris

  • Ysabelle- that’s what you consider a witty comment? Ha ha ha ha. jeesh. added so much to the discussion.

  • Crown Heights Proud here. Bxgrl’s explanation is true. I stupidly wrote my real name on my registration to TypeKey, which was readily available when one passed the mouse over my log in name. I changed it as soon as I was outed, but it was too late. Soon after, someone posted my real name and phone number as a contact for a community event that was featured on the site, and the troll got my phone number, which he/she posted whenever the mood hit. That is how it happened, and is a good lesson learned in terms of providing information to non-secure registration systems. One’s real name is not necessary to register, so I would advise that people keep that in mind. Still read Brownstoner, BTW.
    - crown heights proud

  • Hoo Fucking Ray!!!!!

  • A virtual kindgarden class would be useful, since Brooklyn and Brownstoner is just a breeding ground for anonymous psychos!

  • Well, I don’t think I’ve ever consciously come up with tricks and tools to, kind of, hide. I do think I’m a bit more vigilant, in terms of safety issues and things. And sometimes it is kind of nice to try to hold onto your anonymity.

    - Calista Flockhart

  • “…Soon after, someone posted my real name and phone number as a contact for a community event that was featured on the site, and the troll got my phone number…”

    CHP, are you merely ASSUMING that this is how the troll got your phone number or do you actually have evidence to support this theory? If you’re simply guessing that the troll must have found your number on this other site because you can’t imagine how else he could have acquired it…well, while you could be right, that’s just not very reassuring, if you see what I mean. No disrespect intended here. I just take the protection of my privacy very seriously.

  • 8:50- CHP isn’t assuming. that’s exactly what happened. Anyone who signed in under the old typekey system can tell you we didn’t know what would be public and the system was buggy and awful. This was nearly 2 years ago, if I remember correctly. I take my privacy seriously too- I’m sure the trolls would just have a field day with my info otherwise, so i hope you decide to register and keep posting in any case.

    Also- you don’t have to give any personal info when you register other than an email address, and that doesn’t show up in the profile unless you want it to. You can get a free gmail, yahoo or hotmail address that is unconnected to your regular email addresses. And Mr. b has responsibility for the registration system- it’s not in his interest to make any private info public or use it in any way.

  • “CHP isn’t assuming. that’s exactly what happened.”

    Okay. I am standing by to see your proof of this.

  • “I take my privacy seriously too”

    “I, unlike you, have nothing to hide.”

    see- dumber than a box of hair

  • Brenda, when you say “Hope it works to reduce the tedious and hateful idiocy quotient”, yes, we can hope that would be the case. But as you can see from posters who have now newly registered with names on this thread (a few of them of questionable taste), the quality hasn’t improved any. It’s just as sophomoric as ever. I used to enjoy posting here occasionally, but as time went on, I got tired of being bashed for my opinions (which were pretty harmless, I might add, and not controversial in any respect). It seems like opinions are no longer respected as such and are now targets attack. Very immature, if you ask me. I do agree that some of the snarkiness or provocativeness does originate with Mr. B at times, but I think that’s a generational thing (ok, attack me now). There’s an old saying…”the fish stinks from the head…” Nonetheless, I don’t intend to post any more and don’t intend to register either (by the way, this is my first post under this particular thread). I doubt the new policy will result in a better blog from the evidence so far. I’ll probably browse future posts that contain useful information about our neighborhoods, the way it used to be when this blog was born, but that’s about it.

  • 9:29- you can contact Mr. B privately and ask him. Other than that there’s nothing else anyone can say to prove this to you. Sorry.

  • And how can Mr. B prove it to me when he is unable to stop the trolls themselves?

    Methinks I will pass on registration.

  • 10:10- stopping trolls from posting is a far different thing than what happened with CHP. If you’ve registered on any other website your privacy isn’t truly protected. Bank servers have been hacked, ebay and paypal have been hacked. And those are worse since you have to put your personal info in there, but you don’t for brownstoner- just an email. But if it makes you uncomfortable, you should do what is best for you.

  • “I take my privacy seriously too”

    “I, unlike you, have nothing to hide.”

    see- dumber than a box of hair

    ha ha

  • gee- 12:14. what an interesting and informative post. And so original. I know everyone on brownstoner is just so impressed with your comebacks and posts.

    Sweetie- isn’t your mommy waiting by the baby carriage to give you a cookie? That’s right sweetheart- and when you’ve grown up and have gotten an education maybe it’ll be worth my while to to talk to you like you’re an intelligent adult capable of contributing something to society. (Yeah, and a gerbil can grow up to be Einstein).

  • and you really can’t see, bxgrl, that your post is no better than the one you criticize?

  • oh, 9:51 – good point: “the fish stinks from the head” indeed. I had a friend who used to say that about where we worked – it was apparently a direct translation from a Russian proverb. I quote that one all the time – describes most businesses accurately!

  • “gee- 12:14. what an interesting and informative post. And so original. I know everyone on brownstoner is just so impressed with your comebacks and posts.

    Sweetie- isn’t your mommy waiting by the baby carriage to give you a cookie? That’s right sweetheart- and when you’ve grown up and have gotten an education maybe it’ll be worth my while to to talk to you like you’re an intelligent adult capable of contributing something to society. (Yeah, and a gerbil can grow up to be Einstein).

    - bxgrl

    “I have a real problem with racism, INSULTS TO MY INTELLIGENCE and comments about my living situation or friends.”

    - bxgrl

    Hippo-crite

  • it was 9:38 ( bxgrl is an idiot ) that made the comment, i was just laughing at it, direct your insults to the ones insulting you, sweetie-12:14