Politicians Speaking Out Against House of D Plan

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Elected officials are starting to make some noise about the city’s plan to re-open and expand the House of Detention on Atlantic Avenue, according to the Brooklyn Eagle. On Thursday Councilman David Yassky is going to hold a press conference decrying the plan, and he’s expected to be joined by Councilman Bill de Blasio and Comptroller Bill Thompson. The event will mark the first time politicians speak out in a big, organized way against the plan. The Eagle also mentions the new neighborhood group that’s formed to protest the House of D reopening. The group, Stop BOHD, has placed signs like the one above all over Cobble Hill and Boerum Hill. One of Stop BOHD’s members is a lawyer from a firm that successfully sued to stop a similar House of Detention opening in the Bronx.
Downtown Mobilizes To Stop Jail Expansion [Brooklyn Eagle]
Organized Opposition to House of D Plan Grows [Brownstoner]
Locals Put Heat On City For Ignoring House of D Plan [Brownstoner]
City Looks to Supersize the House of D [Brownstoner]

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  • Will you Asshats get off the subject already!!!! The BHOD was NEVER closed and NEVER WILL be closed!!!!! It’s not like they build this thing overnight, it’s been there for years and no Asshats they will not convert it into a Condo! Dumbasses!

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end..

  • How about building a new jail at Atlantic Yards.

  • I have to agree with The What.

    Didn’t you clowns beat this dead horse least week.

    There is no new news here.

    People, go back to J-School!

  • AssWhat – What’s with the exclamation points and capitalized letters.

    Some day the war on the English language is gonnna end…..

    The Guest

  • And maybe Yassky will be as effective against the BHOD as he was when he sold out the closed firehouses to Bloomberg. After months of fighting, and urging the commmunity to keep up the pressure, claiming he and his fellow City Council members would not pass the budget unless the cuts were stopped, he took us aside after his “keep fighting” speech at a rally for Engine 212 and told he us had voted to pass the budget because Bloomberg and Gifford Miller would take away his discretionary funds. He then proceeded to threaten the head of the community organization with pulling his grant if they made it public. The head of the community organization told Yassky where to put his money. Have never trusted Yassky since.

    And hope the BHOD is open and expanded. Deal with folks- lots of other neighborhoods deal with stuff like this. You might not like it, but it hasn’t done a thing to drive down your property values has it? No prisoners running around holding up banks and delis- no. Get over yourselves and stop trying to shove your issues onto other neighborhoods.

  • #1 you are so clueless. Go back to your job that pays $5.50/hour…

    I think this is good for the community the area has changed so much and in 1957 the jail made sense but in 2008 it does not make sense becasue of the way the area has changed… And people rip the newcomers and families and yuppies but these are the people that are keeping the area so nice and is only going to make the area nicer and stronger…I guess you guys want Brooklyn the way it was in the 80′s with crime and drugs and so on…I am so tired of this mvement against gentrification…Times change just like how Brooklyn changed in the 60′s whem people moved to the suburbs and how since the 90′s all new types of people are moving back in…Change is good and vital to this area for the future of these neighborhoods.

    How nice would it be if the can clean up Atlantic Ave between Smith and Court and attach the 2 sides…

    #1 you are the complete as you say ASSHAT go get a job instead of being negative of your jealousy to everyone…

  • Bloomberg owns firehouses? All right, stick em up and make me a baloney sandwich on rye.

    The Guest

  • BHOD’s been close for about 5 years now. The Oracle of Lodi once again confuses the voices in his head with reality.

    If the issue is opening the jail, big whup. If the concern is doubling the size of it, different – worse – issue.

    The Johnny

    Some day the What’s gonna get back on his meds

  • Every downtown needs a jail or holding pen.
    Ever heard the line from all those TV shows back in the days “take him down town”?

  • TO THOSE OPPOSED TO THE EXPANSION OF BROOKLYN HOUSE:

    No offense but do you really think the revitalization of the neighborhood happened because of the closing of Brooklyn House? Come on… that’s a big stretch. I’ve lived in the area for a very long time and the revitalization started happening way before the jail stopped housing inmates. It never completely closed by the way. Some portions of the building were always in use and still are. If anyone isn’t telling the truth, it’s you guys, not the DOC. If anything, the building and it’s employees helped to stabilize the neighborhood during tough economic times in the 70′s and 80′s. Correction Officers and people bailing out defendants spent money at local restaurants and businesses helping to keep them a float. One can also argue that the neighborhood stayed safer than other sections of Boerum and Cobble Hill because Correction Officers are uniformed peace officers. Having them walk to and from their cars when they worked at Brooklyn House helped to serve as a deterrent to crime in the community. Some street crime actual did rise after Brooklyn House closed. Check the statistics at the local police precinct. That’s why you began to see more uniformed police officers walking a beat in the neighborhood.

    You guys need to get your facts straight. If you look at real estate figures, Brooklyn house had little to no effect on the value of properties in the surrounding neighborhood. I’m tired of newcomers to the area praying on people’s fears. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Need I remind you that the majority of inmates at Brooklyn House were defendants awaiting trial and as such, they were innocent until proven guilty? Sounds to me you like think everyone housed there is guilty before they’ve even had a chance to go to trial.

  • The What is correct. It never actually closed- I know. I lived in the neighborhood for over 20 years and walked by there all the time.

    “in 1957 the jail made sense but in 2008 it does not make sense becasue of the way the area has changed” Ridiculous statement. The jail is peripheral, has never been an issue, has not stopped gentrification and doesn’t affect the area. If it did, do you think BH,CG and CH would be what they are now? Gentrifiers didn’t build the neighborhood up- the long time residents did. The ycame in after the hard work was done. BH was a landmarked district for YEARS!

    Get real and grow up- this is city living. You guys are lucky with the BHOd- why don’t you try getting a bunch of men’s shelters put in brownstones all over the place and then come bitch to the rest of Brooklyn how tough you have it.

  • “#1 you are so clueless. Go back to your job that pays $5.50/hour…”

    Nope Asshat, you are suffering from cognitive dissonance.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

    In psychology, cognitive dissonance is an uncomfortable feeling or stress caused by holding two contradictory ideas simultaneously.

    The BHOD is going to be there forever. That facility is connected to the courthouses and serves the city of NY in processing criminals.

    “I think this is good for the community the area has changed so much and in 1957 the jail made sense but in 2008 it does not make sense becasue of the way the area has changed… ”

    Well well.. For the past week here on Brownstoner the subject have been, a) Marauding Teenagers b) Crackheads stealing gates c) People getting shot on Grand & Fulton. You think crime is down Asshat? Ok, Blow me.

    “How nice would it be if the can clean up Atlantic Ave between Smith and Court and attach the 2 sides…

    #1 you are the complete as you say ASSHAT go get a job instead of being negative of your jealousy to everyone…”

    Oh I see.. You are a dumb-ass who bought into the hype and now please make everything right for me. Get Bent!

    “BHOD’s been close for about 5 years now. The Oracle of Lodi once again confuses the voices in his head with reality.”

    No Asshat, BHOD is and always was open. I have friends in Corrections. They told you that because they want to real in the Asshats!

    “If the issue is opening the jail, big whup. If the concern is doubling the size of it, different – worse – issue.”

    Pay attention dumbass, in the upcoming crash crime will spike! The City knows whats coming…

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end…

  • The above message paid for by the DOC and COBA.

    The Guest

  • 9:55am look who its housing most are criminals and deserve to be there…

  • AssWhat(I have friend in corrections) suffering from congnitive diarrhea of the mouth with large chip on shoulder.

    The Guest

  • white people dont like black people

    tee hee hee

  • Classic ignorance, 10:00. They haven’t been tried and guaranteed quite a few will acquitted at trial. So unless you’re omniscient, which is highly unlikely, and unless you’d rather see the basic tenets of the Constitution undermined, you really should just step away from the keyboard.

    You whining people holding your noses at life’s little unpleasantries should move somewhere else. City living is not for you. You sound like a bunch of spoiled, sulky brats who think that it’s all about them.

  • THE WHAT 10am…

    The crash and crime wave is in your area of seedy Clinton Hill…Prices are negotiable right now meaning its a great time to buy…And btw I did not buy in the height of the market I just bought with a 15% discount of the offering price…Who nows it may go down a bit but by how much no one nows and especially you don’t…I am very comfortable with the price and the area and feel its a good investment over time, I am not trying to make a killing in 2 years…Bottom line is people need to live places and start a life so if you feel you are getting a good price you have to guy with your gut not what some assho*e is saying on a website…

    BTW BHOD is city living it was put there whenDowntown and Boerum Hill were complete dumps… The area has changed its a fact I could understand why they would reopen but no need to expand. ANd especially the way the area has prospered it would make sense to look at alternative areas… I am not saying in someone elses neighborhood I am saying redo RIKERS is what should be done…

  • I don’t want my hood to ever change, I have lived here forever and nothing should change, the sky is falling, the crime wave is coming, the market is dropping like a stone, the newcomers are spoiled, deal with it, don’t do anything to take away my comfort zone, move out this is my home, green acres is the place for you, if it was there it should stay there….

    The Guest

  • I don’t get it. Why doesn’t someone just take a flamethrower to that place to get it over with? Turn the jail into a park

  • There is nothing like the opportunity for a new job Yassky, deblasio etc. to get our local political flip-floppers to hold a news confrence. Yassky who manages to take every side of every issue is now aginst the jail- while he is running for controller what a suprise. THIS IS A MAN WHO SUPPORTS BUILDING A BATTERY PARK CITY ON OUR WATERFRONT AND OVERODE THE LANDMARKS COMMITTEE FOR A FAVORED DEVELOPER.
    GO DAVID

  • “The crash and crime wave is in your area of seedy Clinton Hill…Prices are negotiable right now meaning its a great time to buy…And btw I did not buy in the height of the market I just bought with a 15% discount of the offering price..”

    Here Asshat read this…

    S&P/Case-Shiller Home Prices Fell 15.3% in April (Update1)

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aa8XB1YgGRoE&refer=home

    Mortgage defaults and foreclosures are adding to the glut of properties on the market, while stricter loan rules are making it more difficult for prospective buyers to get financing. The prolonged real-estate slump, along with higher fuel prices and a shrinking job market, is taking a toll on consumers and the economy.

    “I am very comfortable with the price and the area and feel its a good investment over time, I am not trying to make a killing in 2 years..”

    Yep justification of being a Asshat… Cognitive dissonance!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

    “BTW BHOD is city living it was put there whenDowntown and Boerum Hill were complete dumps… The area has changed its a fact I could understand why they would reopen but no need to expand.”

    Hey Dumbass, the remodeling of BHOD was started in 2000, not recently. You was back in Kansas humping the barn animals.

    “You whining people holding your noses at life’s little unpleasantries should move somewhere else. City living is not for you. You sound like a bunch of spoiled, sulky brats who think that it’s all about them.”

    Right on, right on!!!

    The What (That’s all you got?)

    Someday this war is gonna end…

  • The water front is really nice the way it is – so accessible – great urban planning – this Yassky guy is plum crazy.

    The Guest

  • AssWhat

    Free yourself from this bondage called anger. You might find some inner peace with a barnyard animal.

    The Guest

  • “I am not saying in someone elses neighborhood I am saying redo RIKERS is what should be done…” It seems that redoing Rikers will be far more expensive and problematic than expanding the BHOD. And it won’t save money or be more efficient in transporting prisoners back and forth to the courts.

    So what is the big deal? That you won’t like the building? That you might have to see a man in handcuffs or a cop working? Because right now the big issue seems to be simply aesthetics. Not a big priority for the justice system. You can’t even claim the BHOD has hurt the neighborhood or is responsible for crime. It’s on a corner of a huge intersection with cars whizzing by every 2 seconds. It’s noisy, unsafe because of traffic, and pretty much isolated. It has police everywhere and it is situated to be close to the courts and transportation. I repeat- what is the big deal?

  • “Free yourself from this bondage called anger”

    As soon you and the rest of the Asswads leave Brooklyn.

    The Guest is my son. Let me ask you one question? How did you get out of your mother mouth?!

    The What (Get Bent!)

    Someday this wr is gonna end……

  • Mortgage defaults and foreclosures are adding to the glut of properties on the market, while stricter loan rules are making it more difficult for prospective buyers to get financing. The prolonged real-estate slump, along with higher fuel prices and a shrinking job market, is taking a toll on consumers and the economy.

    WOW you can cut and paste this breaking news we all know what is going on…I understand all of these factors I am in finance. Its doesnt take much to cut and paste the front page of bloomberg and act like you know what you are talking about.
    The bottom line is you live in Clinton Hill worry about your area becasue there is a lot to worry about and let people of Downtown,BH,Cobble, Carroll worry about their area.
    This area is one stop to wall street and yes I know all the layoffs at goldman and citi so dont cut and paste another article…I feel real estate in Manhattan and prime brooklyn will hold up because of conveniuence to Manhattan and the desire to live in the neighborhood.

    BTW financing will only get easier from what it is currently it cant get any stricter and wont. So again keep your negativity to yourself and here it is Iwill say it again PRICES ARE NEGOTIABLE anythime that was the case in NYC it was always a buy so throw offers out there and you never know if someone has to get out of there place…OR keep renting for another 20 years like THE WHAT (ass munch)and pay for someonelse to get rich…

    LEt me ask you an honest question you buy a 1bd apt in prime brooklyn you live there for 4 years then you rent it out for the next 20 are you going to make money at the end????

    The answer is YES… over time realestate in NYC will be fine…

  • bxgrl

    I would like to see you in handcuffs as you drive your car whizzing by this isolated neighborhood every two seconds. That would make all the officers and the innocent to proven quilty all hot and sweaty.

    You obvioulsy have no clue about the neighborhood.

    The Guest

  • Hey Asshat Posted by: guest at June 24, 2008 10:57 AM It smells like you need Depends!

    Here comes the Grand Pupa of cut and paste!

    U.S. Consumer Confidence Fell More Than Forecast (Update1)

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aersfm0XlvLg&refer=home

    June 24 (Bloomberg) — Consumer confidence fell more than forecast this month to the lowest level in more than 16 years, raising the risk that Americans will retrench after spending their tax rebates.

    and..

    Falling property values, rising unemployment and higher food and fuel bills have shaken consumers and may cause purchases to slump once the rebate money is gone.

    Come on Asshats! Tell me we are OK..

    The What (I’m Loving it)

    Someday this war is gonna end…

  • Asswhat,!!!!!?????

    Such a potty mouth.

    Acknowledgement of this anger is a good start. It is important to contemplate and see the faults of anger, see that it is a blemish, see that it is a trouble maker in our lives. The first step is quite often contemplating to see what is the result, what is the effect of this thing called ill-will, anger, on our lives, physically, mentally and socially.

    Can you snatch the peeble from by hand, Asswhat?

    The Guest

  • Breaking News!!!

    Asswhat to testify at FOMC Meeting on Wednesday. States he will snatch pebble from the jaws of defeat!

    The Guest

  • What is an asshat – and why do you all keep using such a juvenile and meaningless insult?

  • 11:00- I lived 2 blocks away on Schermerhorn and Boerum for over 20 years and only moved a few years ago. I think I know the neighborhood far better than you do.

  • 11:07am I got your point and understand it…Do you realize about 8 states are the main factors of these numbers???

    Paris, London, Moscow, Tokyo, NYC are different from the rest of the country…Mweaning people will always come to these areas for job opportunities.

    Scottsdale Arizona doesn not have the same appeal and job opportunities as NYC…

    And again prices may still come down but its impossible to buy on the bottom of any market so you have to jump in at some time when you feel you are getting a good deal…

  • bxgrl,

    On the basis of your description of the area you must have walked through the neighborhood with blinders and cuffs on.

    The Guest

  • 11:28- was that your idea of an intelligent addition to this discussion? Tsk tsk.

  • “I lived 2 blocks away on Schermerhorn and Boerum for over 20 years ”

    You lived here for 20 years too? Geez.

  • daveinbedstuy

    Does anyone know if they are planning to bring back the “mobile home” units that they parked outside for prisoners’ conjugal visits!!!!

    Anyone remember those???

  • bxgrl,

    I love it when you reprimand me.

    All asswads must report to their local precincts for processing out of Brooklyn.

    By order of the Grand Pupa AssWhat.

    The Guest

  • bxgrl and The What are correct on this one. The jail hasn’t ever been fully closed. It sustained neighborhood businesses prior to the latest wave of gentrification and is relatively isolated due to its location. The facility has not had an appreciably negative impact on the area, and it’s acrosss the street from Brooklyn’s Criminal Court, in which people awaiting court hearings are CURRENTLY jailed, some for weeks. What’s the big deal?

  • daveinbedstuy,

    The DOC bought a dozen post Katrina mobile homes for $44 million. AssWhat and bxgrl have volunteered to drive them to BHOD doorstep in isolated, unsafe are with cars whizzing by every 2 seconds.

    The Guest

  • I think bxgrl might be my old boss (who was a psycho by the way).

  • daveinbedstuy

    So bxgrl, what does the “bxgrl” monicker stand for??

  • asshat = everyone on this pathetic blog

    except me

    waaa
    waaaaa
    waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

  • Asswhat and bxgrl are right. If we are lucky enough to have inmates like this we have nothing to worry about.

    Authorities say an inmate trying to flee a Texas city jail crashed through the ceiling into a police chief’s empty office.

    Police say 17-year-old Jesus Albert Suarez Chavez and 22-year-old Roman Orozco Martinez tried to escape through air conditioning ducts of the Alton city jail around 3 a.m. Saturday, but had been spotted by a dispatcher monitoring security video.

    One of the inmates fell through the ceiling into the office of Police Chief Baldemar Flores. The second inmate was trying to get into the vent.

    Flores said he didn’t know which inmate fell through the ceiling, only that the vents were very small.

    Chavez and Martinez are charged with burglary of a vehicle, evading arrest, resisting arrest, assault on a public servant and making a terrorist threat. They are now being held in the Hidalgo County Jail pending transfer to the expanded BHOD.

    The Guest

  • oh, no- sorry The Guest- those trailers have formaldehyde and I take a very green stance on these things. And they are just not pretty enough for the neighborhood. You know you can’t offend the eyeballs of these people- they might pluck them out.

  • “Does anyone know if they are planning to bring back the “mobile home” units that they parked outside for prisoners’ conjugal visits!!!!

    Anyone remember those???”

    That’s when your boyfriend banged your skull into the sheetrock!

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end…

  • “Asswhat and bxgrl are right. If we are lucky enough to have inmates like this we have nothing to worry about.”

    Trust you to deliberately misunderstand and twist what people say. Of course it’s pretty funny that you would confuse the jail system of a small Texas city with the one here in NY. But you would look so much more intelligent if you actually contributed something meaningful to the thread instead of simply going after me every possible chance.

    Dave- Bronx girl. Where I was born and raised (oh boy, can’t wait to see the trolls post on that).

  • AssWhat,

    There is no sheetrock in a mobile home to bang a skull against. Formaldehyde maybe.

    Others may diagree but I think you are making progress.

    You belong in the scheme of the universe. There’s nothing to be afraid of. You are safe. Freedom is letting go.

    The Guest

  • bxgrl,

    Forgive me – I love you.

    The Guest

  • daveinbedstuy

    what…you seem to know a lot about being someone’s prison biatch. How long & where was your incarceration??

  • daveinbedstuy

    Bxgrl…ummm, now I’m even more confused. But not as confused as most of the guests are on the topics today.

  • These bold face liars are a effing menance to this site!

  • I feel like posts are being deleted. This string of posts makes no sense…

  • daveinbedstuy

    Welcome to brownstoner 3:14.

  • dave- we need you over on the Bed-Stuy thread. The trolls have overrun the place :-).

  • I used to live in the House of D, so I know everything there is about it.

    - bxgrl

  • 1. The trailers parked outside of the Brooklyn House were staff locker rooms. There are no and never were any (official) conjugal visits in any of the city jails.

    2. DOC did not purchase post-Katrina trailers. They do however house inmates in trailer dormitories whuch are attached to the older jails on Rikers. They were supposed to be a temporary fix for a burgeoning jail population back in 1991. New jail construction was planned in 1995-1998 but due to budget cuts, the plans were sacked. The dorms are now falling apart and not very secure.

    3. Rikers is below sea level in the East River. During high tide, staff members who park too close to the parking lots edge, often find their cars submerged in water. In the event of a major hurricane, the entire island would be underground. Evacuation would be almost impossible because there is only one two lane bridge on and off of the island and there not enough buses to get everybody off.

    4. DOC center of operations must be spread out. This makes good tactical sense. It is harder for gangs and organized crime to communicate when they don’t have proximity to each other. Inmates in one jail can currently pass information by leaving notes called kites, in the recreation yards.

    5. Laguardia airport is literally feet away from the Island. One plane crashed onto the island in the 1950′s and another into the river almost severing the bridge in 1988. In 1950 there were no injuries to anyone on the island because there was only one jail on the island at that time. There are now 10 and the entire bus fleet is stationed on Rikers.

    6. The Brooklyn House opened in 1957 on Atlantic to replace the Raymond Street jail which had been there since the 1800′s. Raymond Street is now Ashland Place. There has ALWAYS been a jail downtown, near the courts.

    7. The residents of East Elmhurst carry more than their share of the burden by housing the city’s inmates most of whom come from Brooklyn, the most populus borough.

    All of the above are excellent reasons why the jail should reopen right where it is and the DOC should build another in the Bronx. BTW, Brooklyn House had to house inmates, especially those on-trial, with Staten Island cases. So DOC should be looking for another site to build a jail in Staten Island.

  • Personally I don’t mind that it’s a jail, I just don’t want it to look like a jail and be the tallest building in the neighborhood.

    The fact that the one building visible from anywhere in Cobble Hill, Boerum Hill and Carroll Gardens, is a grotesque and filthy
    white-brick building with bars around it, is a clear message from the local government that they are watching and warning us, and they control us.

    Do I look up in the sky and see a monument to individualism, freedom and entrepreneurial spirit? NO, I see an Eastern-Bloc-like symbol of a government all-too-eager to overstep its authority and force all to capitulate to a collective bondage.

    So, either build a taller, nicer-looking building on the south side of Atlantic that obscures the jail from those us who are oppression-sensitive, OR build a new facade around it that masks the fact that it’s a jail. Call it “Freedom Jail … Tower … thing.” Or maybe put some lights or fountains or something on it. I dunno. I stopped taking my meds … uhhhh … where ….

  • I forgot to sign off to my 10:24 post.

    - bxgrl