Closing of the Carlton Avenue Bridge

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The Carlton Avenue Bridge, part of the Atlantic Yards footprint, is scheduled to close in less than a week for up to two years of reconstruction. Traffic is going to be rerouted to Sixth and Vanderbilt avenues. Atlantic Yards Report sees the closing as the start of a “three-year reconstruction clock,” since the Sixth Avenue Bridge’s one-year rehab is supposed to follow work on the Carlton Avenue Bridge. If that timetable is followed, therefore, it means the earliest the Nets arena would open is January 2011.
Carlton Avenue Bridge Will Close January 16 [AY Report] GMAP
A Sign on Pacific Street [Brit in Brooklyn]

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  • feel sorry for those who use the bridge daily. now it will require going around the other way to do it. you need to insist on a foot bridge under scaffoldings. or, unless you love to exercise, it’s a good thing.

  • This notice process really bothered me. The community only got two weeks’ warning! Someone asked me in response, “well, what would you do if you had more notice?” and I thought that I would rest assured that they had a grasp on their construction schedule, understood the integration of the bridge closure into the rest of the demolition activity, etc.

    In a project that has already seen a fallen parapet, asbestos and vermin problems, and suffers from the pervasive “uncommunicative developer” syndrome, it would have been more promising to get more notice.

    Believe it or not there are some in the community trying to build a better relationship with this project. If it has to happen, let it happen politely.

  • Pheights, I agree that the community should receive more than two weeks notice for something as big as this. In fairness, however, ESDC/FCRC announced in October that the bridge would close in the coming weeks.

  • How can it take two years to rebuild a one-block-long bridge? Seriously.

  • The bridge needs to be closed to construct the platform over the train yard. When the project is complete, there will not be a bridge. The roadway will run over the platform.

    Building the platform is a major engineering undertaking, and it is not at all unreasonable it will take 2 years.

  • what a bunch of whiners. the project is happening just accept the fact. enough aleardy.

  • what a bunch of whiners. the project is happening just accept the fact. enough already.

  • So what happens when AY is stopped by the courts? Who rebuilds the bridge?

  • that bridge ain’t ever gonna close.

  • 11:32, another question would be what happens when Ron Paul wins the presidency?

    In other words, neither is going to happen.

    Both legal cases are in appeal and stand zero chance of winning. But that’s par for the course when dealing with the neophytes who comprise the opposition.

  • Will it be completely closed to pedestrians too ?

  • So much for a quick walk from Fort Greene to Park Slope. That little bridge used to serve as my short-cut. Such is life. I guess I’ll buy a bicycle.

  • there is no such thing as sixth & vanderbilt. is there?

  • AY as it currently is proposed won’t need to be stopped by the courts; it will be stopped by the economy. Seriously, who needs 16 skyscrapers-full of luxury condos?

  • I AM REALLY PISSED ABOUT THIS CLOSURE.
    This is WAY premature. Simply premature. They are taking a city street/structure for their own convenience AND as a TROJAN WEDGE in the community.

    All us peds who use that bridge are getting the short end of the stick. PERIOD. It is the only viable way to walk from most of FG to PH, Flatbush and PS. It is MORE THAN DOUBLE my walk time back and forth from 20 minutes to 40-50 minutes. The only options is to walk all the way down through FG to Atlantic and Flatbush to walk all the way back the heck up Flatbush. I wrote on another Brownstoner thread on this when he had it on his AM news links.

    The bridge will probably stay put for ages AND, the developer should be providing a footbridge overpass or some other arrangement. No, FCRatfink is sticking it to us. They are creating that SUPERBLOCK de facto before building even begins. It’s a go-effing-get-used-to-it because it’s too bad. This is what this says. No consideration of the way Carlton is also a release valve for Flatbush traffic. People wanting to get to the eastbound BQE, can bypass Flatbush to Tillary by going north on Carlton.

    Here is Tuesday Links from 1/03/08 on Brownstoner: http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2008/01/thursday_links_76.php#comments

    My comments that day:

    I am WAYYYYY mad about the closing of the Carlton Avenue Bridge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That bridge is the main pedestrian link between neighborhoods. I walk between PS, Flatbush, PH and FG all the time. I don’t have wheels and taking the Vanderbilt bus is not a great option AT ALL…way out of the way and costs money. They should put in a pedestrian walkway while this MERDE goes on for YEARS!…and it’s apparently only so they get to use the bridge for their own access…they are unlikely to demolish the bridge for a long, long time if they even demolish it at all.

    This seems like a Trojan Wedge being silently HAMMERED into the community!

    THANKS RATNER!

    Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 2:16 PM

    And they’re closing the bridge which they 1) don’t own but will have full and sole use 2) don’t even have enough of the land in place to start the project, justify the taking of city streets, etc.

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhh!

    Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 6:15 PM

  • 11:52. you wrote. “Both legal cases are in appeal ”

    that is just factually wrong. the EIS case is not under appeal. it is pending a decision on the original claims.

  • Yes, I agree with 1:01:

    “This seems like a Trojan Wedge being silently HAMMERED into the community!”

  • whine, whine, whine
    boo hoo hoo
    don’t you people have anything better to do than sit around and bitch about having to walk a little more? god, with all the problems in the world i would think hauling your fat ass another couple of blocks would be good and keep you healthier so my insurance rates don’t keep going up!

  • The economic viability of this project unravels further with every passing day.

  • D-U-M-B-D-E-A-L

    D-I-R-T-Y-D-E-A-L

    D-E-A-D-D-E-A-L

    geee, i can spell too, dondeal-bot.

  • @ 1:32pm no these people have nothing better else to do b/c they are probably worried about their properties losing it’s lack luster value…Look folks this was going to happen and I am actually glad that it is…hey just move out if you don’t like it! hey you can get 1 million if you decide to sell so why worry.
    I look at it like this AY project is good for Brooklyn and I am all for it!!!

  • 1:02,

    I stand corrected, so let me rephrase:

    The EIS is not in appeal, but will lose anyway.

    The eminent domain case is in appeal and will lose.

    As usual, splitting hairs does not change the fact that this project cannot be stopped.

  • The economic viability of this project unravels further with every passing hour.

  • Sorry All,
    But really, the way the economy’s going and the fact that this project (the idea that is Atlantic Yards) would add tons of high-end apartments (basically all about oversupplying into the deflating-industry du jour) equals BAD COMBO!

    I was there in the telecommunications bubble that popped before the internet bubble popped. With telecom, it was largely about oversupply. Everyone ran from telecom and the NASDAQ and inflated housing. Et voila. I was predicting this for the last couple of years. Of course, was surprised at how high it went…rather shocked the lenders got so lax, but the volume was crazy and they probably had reduced the staffing model over the years. Who can forget the constant DiTech and MoneyTree, etc. ads nonstop on TV, MetroNorth, LIRR and NJTransit, billboards…hhh…

    Now, add to the mix the fact that it is estimated AY would be a net reduction in area affordable housing, the contentiousness, the need to highjack 100s of Millions of taxpayer $$ right when we might have tax increases… BAD COMBO.

    FCR may sit on whatever they have for quite some time. They’ll tinker, yeah…but that’s it…maybe manage to put the arena and one tower…

    If anything gets built, it’s gunna be the LONGGGG haul method. Gunna be like projects in the 80s that got burned and then sat for a decade or so.

    I’m annoyed, knowing how these things go, that FCR will basically be taking possession of the bridge, using for their own purposes (access, parking, etc)…cutting off Pacific Street so they will kind of rule that street as well and it’ll sit, and sit, and sit and five, six, eight years will go by…

    It’s a shame. The Ratners have no real sense of tzedakah. It is a shame.

  • whine, whine, whine
    boo hoo hoo
    don’t you people have anything better to do than sit around and bitch about having to walk a little more? god, with all the problems in the world i would think hauling your fat ass another couple of blocks would be good and keep you healthier so my insurance rates don’t keep going up!

    Whose whining who?
    Who has less time me or you.

    Whine or no Whine, Ratner sucks and you folks who bend over for his big you know what…..can yell out neophyte all you want….better than following a greedy “leader type”
    Ratner sucks

  • The closing of that bridge is one of the first real indications of what life post-atlantic yards will be like. The project, happening or not, has no consideration for the existing communities. To have to walk further to get from p-heights to ft. greene is not an issue of laziness, its an issue of terrible urban planning.
    Its not whining to oppose it. It means someone has an invested interest in the place that they live. Which is what makes a neighborhood desirable in the first place.
    I propose a demonstration on the 16th to at least draw attention to the continuing dismantling of the place in which we live. Its the least we can do before those of us in the footprint are forced from our homes.

  • My daily bike commute now SUCKS. Instead of a very pleasent ride along the bikepath down Carlton I NOW have to take Dean and catch up with Washington Ave. Dangerous and no fun.

    I’m pissed.