Kent Avenue Synagogue: What a Shame

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How f’d up is the situation with the makeshift synagogue on Kent Avenue in South Williamsburg? Very. It’s been almost a year since the 17,000-square-foot building was thrown up in a kind of urban barn-raising (200 people working in shifts 24 hours a day for 20 days) during which one worker was seriously injured and a Stop Work Order was issued. Despite the less-than-exemplary track record during construction, the congregation was able to wrangle a Temporary Place of Assembly permit for 10 dates in September and October of last year, which is when this video was made. (Irony of all ironies: the synagogue is next door to a fire station.) Since last fall, the owner (which is listed on DOB filings as Congregation Kahal Adath Krasna of 1623 44th Street) has not lifted a finger to finish the exterior of the building and has been denying access to buildings inspectors who have received numerous tips that it’s being used illegally as a school. The building has yet to receive a Certificate of Occupancy. Our question is who’s running interference for the synagogue? Is the political clout of the Hasidim so great that they can just skate by for a year in clear violation of fire safety and buildings department regulations with no consequences?
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  • I don’t know if it’s political clout as much as complete disregard for civil law that seems to be a mainstay of Hasid culture in this city. It should come as no surprise that this congregation shows nothing but contempt for the law, disregard for their own safety, and disrespect for their FDNY neighbors.

  • the politicians need the orthodox community. you can’t get elected in this district without them and this is one of the costs of doing business.

  • are you surprised? this is nothing new

  • Why obey those annoying city, state and federal laws when you have GOD’s law behind you?

    That’s what any insane religious wackjob group would say.

  • That palce looks really unsafe.

    As part of my job I frequently look at the secular portion of religious institutions as sites to rent during the week. I’d estimate that about 8 out of 10 of the newer churches and synagogues are operating without a Place of Assembly Permit or even a Temporary C of O.

  • I think the DOB’s test should consist for ANY* building should be simply to hold a lit match to the surface of a building facade (*because I can see it coming: NOT JUST FOR RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS – AND NO I’M NOT BEING ANTI-SEMITIC).

    It would be a pretty straightforward pass/fail system.

  • Wow… Imagine if this was a mosque-congregation taking on an identical order of events. Then, after the completion of the illegal mosque, a video surfacing w/ an interior shot of the same thousands in celebration and prayer whilst blatantly disregarding the laws of the powers that be. I personally have read articles in the non-mainstream news outlets that speak to the illegal policing and harassment of “other” houses of worship; sticking them with fines and lockouts based solely off our (as a country) biases towards certain faiths. What a sad un-balanced world we live in.

  • The Hassidic community has enormous clout.
    They have bought and paid for councilman Yatsky and other pols -or maybe they just rent.
    In any event, they call the shots.
    On the other hand they have to wear those hot black robes all the time so it has its downside.

  • the Hasidim bring the crime rates -down.

    The Hasidim create fine communities.

    The saved Brooklyn in the 70s and 80s – like it or not.

  • Suzy – where is the rest of your post? Did you pass out?

  • Just symptomatic of the larger issue that the hasidic jews can get away with anything in Brooklyn and have no concern for their neighbors.

  • The Hasidim create fine communities for the Hasidim.

    They create exclusionary communities for all other groups and erode any diversity in a neighborhood through their bigotry.

    They invest nothing in the urban environment, aesthetically, community-wise, or otherwise unless they stand to gain from it.

    They exemplify the worst stereotypes of Jews and their conduct exacerbates the anti-semitism prevalent in the city already.

  • I don’t think it is fair to say that Hassids can get away with anything. They have made a niche for themsleves and they know how to use their political clout.
    I do have to agree however that they show no concern for anyone outside their group. But that’s true of many enclaves. I don’t think the Amish care very much for people outside the community and the Jehovahs will have a funeral for you if you marry out of the religion. Ah diversity.

  • and they wonder why we dont shed a tear when a place like this burns down

  • Go to Borough Park, go to Williamsburg, hell, go to Monsey (in Rockland County) and enjoy this type of unbelievable behavior time and time again. The Hasidim in New York do whatever they damn well please and they can get away with it, because no, God doesn’t help them, the almighty dollar does.

    This synagogue is a disgrace, not only because the people living around it are faced with a risk of danger from such an atrocity, not because it’s outrageously ugly, but because it is a place of worship that looks like a piece of sh*t… I don’t know, perhaps I’m taking this from a different point of view, but wouldn’t you want a place where you worship, and a place that is representative of your culture look somewhat decent, if not at least fully constructed?

    Lastly, it is a shame that that video can be, in any way, overlooked as unadulterated evidence that the synagogue is a disaster waiting to happen, however, if “God forbid” something like a fire or other catastrophe occurred there, where people were injured or died, I am 100% certain that the people who use it regularly would find someone to blame (possibly God) for such an event, while they sit idly waiting for, and potentially allowing it to happen.

    Money talks, kids.

  • I often take cabs home and pass the place at night – it’s often full of people inside and out, as late as midnight, or even later…so much for a C of O or place of assembly permit.

  • Wow… Imagine if this was a mosque-congregation taking on an identical order of events. Then, after the completion of the illegal mosque, a video surfacing w/ an interior shot of the same thousands in celebration and prayer whilst blatantly disregarding the laws of the powers that be. I personally have read articles in the non-mainstream news outlets that speak to the illegal policing and harassment of “other” houses of worship; sticking them with fines and lockouts based solely off our (as a country) biases towards certain faiths. What a sad un-balanced world we live in.

    ????????????????
    what’s this have to do with the building

  • Personally, my pet peeve is when people refer to them as “the Jews” (this happens a lot in my neighborhood).

    It’s like calling the Amish “the Christians”, Qutbis “the Muslims” or Mormon Fundamentalists “the Mormons”.

    They are religious nuts who, unfortunately, have a lot of political power and have built their financial and political empire at the expense of everyone else in the city.

  • Please don’t say they saved brooklyn in the 70′s and 80′s – that is not true.

  • 11:44 – this has everything to do with the building.

    It’s an example of how the Hasidic community as a whole flouts the city, other residents, other races/religions/etc. and shows an utter lack of respect for them in general.

  • Let’s be real here, if the same Hasidim we’re talking about saved Brooklyn in the 70s and 80s, it was only because there was some benefit in there for them.

  • 11:13— you sound really jealous ‘king i’

  • aaa at 11:20–guess again. We’re talking about crimes committed BY the Hasidim. Violating building laws, and the many other white collar crimes their leaders have committed in the housing area, including countless acts of misappropriating city money, are CRIMES. Even if you get away with it, crime is crime. Also, they were not the only folks in this city in the 1970s and 1980s. You sound like a million other racists.

  • Also–this building was thrown up by one brother to spite another brother in a dispute stemming over which one would take over their dad’s congregation. It is not about religion or faith, it is about meanness, and the evidence is that in all this time not one thing has been done to make it safe for the faithful who use it. These crowds are not fighting over the dad’s money–they are looking for a place to practice their faith and traditions. And they are being shown the same dispicable contempt as the rest of the community, secular and frum.

  • Let’s face it. The Hasidim knows how to work the system. Look how they destroy the buildings on Eastern Parkway and the Bomber Building across from Pratt. Don’t expect the Hasidim to building anything beautiful or keep the place neat. Just go around Kent Avenue.

  • I spoke to some locals around the synagag – one woman told me that they plan to tear this one down when the other is finished, “so why finish this one?”

    I also asked why they put cages on their windows… “so the children don’t fall out” then proceeded to yell at me.

    anyways…

  • Good story 12:31PM, very good story.

  • To anon at 12:30–the point is that they don’t “work the system.” They flagrantly flaunt it and get away with it. Working the system would imply that they knew the law inside and out and knew every loophole. That’s work they’re not bothering to do, and I find it an affront to every other citizen of New York. If I were a developer who had experienced any trouble with DOB, I would sue the city for discriminatory practices and use this as exhibit A.

  • Anon 12:30, if true, your connection to the Great Rabbi Brother Schism is the big “AHA.” Calling intrepid investigative journalists: There is one heck of a story here waiting to be told!

  • I actually think it looks quite nice.

    It’s the sort of place that looks like a great physical manifestation of God on earth. That ugly cathedral at Rouen has nothing on this. Hagia Sophia my foot!

    Maybe they’ll make it even nicer with some lovely particleboard and more deli awnings as well as some plastic window sheeting and more payphones. (Attached to the building this time guys! How can I have a direct connection to god via the building if the payphone is free-standing???)

    A little bit of litter on the street out front should emphasize the cleanliness and order of God too.

    Now THAT would be a nice synagogue.

  • They clearly have no intention of ever completing the facade of this dump. Most normal people would put those fancy Hebrew letters on AFTER the brickwork or siding or hay (whatever the hell these slobs would have used) was complete, not on the Tyvek. I guess, in that capacity, we should just forget about ever seeing this place complete and hope that the “other Synagogue” that they’re supposedly waiting for is completed (WITH facade) soon.

  • The fight between the brothers is old news. The two congregations were beating each other up in the streets not more than a six months ago.

    http://www.thebrooklynrail.org/archives/DEC05/LOCAL/familyfeud.html

  • So much hatred for the Hasidims on this thread, I don’t like them either but never the less. If it wasn’t for them, we wouldn’t have all the fedders in the nabes. Now that’s some quality construction.

  • All of this just reeks of racism.
    How would you all react if this was a church erected for the brownstone god?

  • At least the “Brownstone God” would have some sense of aesthetic.

  • Cults are always making mad money off poor people with poor judgement and no education. It’s oppression by aesthetic starvation. One of the easiest ways to brainwash people is to make them wear ugly uncomfortable clothes, put prison bars at every opening to the outside world, and force them to pray in places like this.

    And this country is a breeding ground for cults. (Until they start weilding weapons and denouncing the government, of course).

  • 1:21 — Are you kidding me? Those creepy orthodox christians are just as bad. I don’t care what god you’re praying to, that kind of ugliness is just pure sin, not to mention criminal, be you a muslim, jew, christian, heathen or whatever.

  • What racism?
    “Hasidic” isn’t a race and neither is “Jewish”.

    And we’re not talking about their religion, except insofar as their practice of it (ie: constructing an unsafe, ugly temple) breaks the laws of the city and state and alienates their neighbors.

  • Not surprising since that seems to be the general attitude when these guys build any kind of building- ignore the rules, damage other people’s property and justify it by saying it’s “no problem because we will pay to fix” as if that’s a good enough reason to damage whatever they want.

    The building going up next door to me has had numerous violations, at least 3 Stop Work Orders, damaged both neighbors property, had the building site declared unsafe by the NYFD and will be one of the ugliest things in the neighborhood when finished. Not to mention the cheap materials, turning the backyard into a parking lot for 6 cars and the absolute disregard for any of the community. Just build the biggest, cheapest thing possible anyway you want and tell the neighbors not to call DOB because you’ll “take care of it.”

    Nice. And creating your own private island within the greater community does not constitute “saving Brooklyn.”

  • Racism is the belief that some races of men are better than others. If anyone is rasist it is The Hasidic Jews who believe that they are the Chosen People.

  • OKAY let’s not get into this race religion etc argument cause it’s not worth the hoopla.

    It would just be kinda cool if once in a while this city was actually fair in its milking of its citizens for every minor offence and actually extended that greed to everyone, including religious organizations which are getting breaks for everything all the time anyway.

  • The poor Hasidim, nobody likes them. least of all other Jewish people. They are like the polygamist Mormons. But more urban. And with a lot more dough.
    I don’t care what they do, they stay out of my way, I stay out of their way.
    At least they don’t preach at the top of their lungs in the subways.

  • That’s because they wouldn’t want you.

  • I’m Polish (born there, not raised there), and I gotta say, community ugliness is rampant in Greenpoint too. The Polish community isn’t as savvy at real estate, but they certainly are as adept at fugliness. So I don’t think it’s a Hasidic thing so much as a closed-circuit-culture mentality, which is very out of sync with New York City’s otherwise pretty motley crew of cultures, and therefore is shocking in context. And believe me, I understand all the vitriol, as I’m of the very strong belief that aesthetics affect people deeply, even as deeply as religion — except aesthetics are imposed on the entire public, which is unfair when those aesthetics are offensive.

    But it is not a hasidic thing. it’s more a, um, “old world” thing. People stuck in the back country, the old world, etc….

  • The fight between the brothers is over $500 million is assets. One would assume they could afford a facade with that kind of money.

  • “That’s because they wouldn’t want you.”

    I don’t want them to want me.
    You have to give them that. at least the hasidim don’t try to convert you and save your soul. They don’t give a shit if you go to hell. I like that.

  • wow the amount of racism and ignorance on this thread is scary. If the hasidim in williamsburg had so much money as some of you seem to think, why wouldn’t they finish this building? Why would they build something so craptastic? Do you think its some sort of plot to anger the neighboring hipsters? please.

    I agree they shouldn’t be allowed to break the law, but neither should anyone else. Considering how many other people violates these types of laws i don’t see why so many people on this thread feel a need to single out hasidim (including brownstoner). I mean if the DOB/City isn’t cracking down on developers building in excess of zoning and FAR, creating unsafe work conditions, and damaging nearby property why would the city/dob start going after houses of worship? The point is this is a general problem that is all over NYC but this thread seems to be all about bashing one group. That’s just racism.

  • Keep you bloomers on AnnaBea, people are just blogging.
    Who are you the Ms Manners of Brownstoner? go shove it.

  • Jeffrey Buss of Smith, Buss & Jacobs LLP, lead attorney for Aaron Teitelbaum (one of the brothers)

    “This is a dispute between individuals who claim to be elected to the board of directors, over control of the board of directors and its assets — Congregation Yetev D’Lev Satmar Inc.,” Jeffrey Buss of Smith, Buss & Jacobs LLP, lead attorney for Aaron’s camp, said in an interview. “That religious corporation has approximately $500 million dollars worth of assets, at least.”

  • AnnaBea, the problem is that the DOB/City IS cracking down. Everyone, from homeowners to contractors to architects, has been getting slapped around for the past couple of years with the most ridiculous fines for everything. It’s like a cash cow for them.

    So it really infuriates people when one group is singled out as being BEYOND the law, above the law, besides the law, whatever. If the city is gonna crack down, they better be fair about it or whoever gets away with this kind of disgrace is gonna stand out.

    And that place doesn’t look like that because of lack of funds. It looks like that because of lack of law enforcement. What is up, DOB? Seriously?

  • and AnnaBea, you must have just tuned in cuz we’ve been calling out developers (and architects) of all races and creeds for the past two years.

  • Brownstoner – Sorry to single you out. Actually its a good post and i think its good you do post about people that violate these laws.

  • AnnaBea, it can make me uncomfortable to point out bad things done by any one group–in this case, the Hasidim–because the ire raised by the group’s actions soon attracts racists who attack the group and not the actions. However, using “racism” or “anti-semitism” as a weapon against people in the community with legitimate complaints is really annoying. This is the 21st century in New York City. I’m okay with religious groups, but I believe our default position should be that this is a secular society and secular laws must take precedence. I really hate it when New York becomes as creepy as some southern town in letting religion take precedence over modern civil society. America needs an Attaturk to modernize us and emphasize the secular.

  • So is it fair that a individual in the Bronx loses his house, his land and is fined $30,000 for housing violations for doing work without a permit but developers and the politically connected get a free ride over the law?

  • Wow… Imagine if this was a mosque-congregation taking on an identical order of events. Then, after the completion of the illegal mosque, a video surfacing w/ an interior shot of the same thousands in celebration and prayer whilst blatantly disregarding the laws of the powers that be. I personally have read articles in the non-mainstream news outlets that speak to the illegal policing and harassment of “other” houses of worship; sticking them with fines and lockouts based solely off our (as a country) biases towards certain faiths. What a sad un-balanced world we live in.

  • And Annabea, it’s simply factual that the Hasidim have built an enormous number of HIDEOUS buildings in Brooklyn. It is not racism to point this out. They do some things that are good for the community, I would imagine–not the least, populating Williamsburg during an era when nobody else would–but they also should be held accountable for the damage (visual and otherwise) they inflict on the neighborhood around them. Like anybody else.

  • Anon at 2:42 said:

    “They do some things that are good for the community, I would imagine–not the least, populating Williamsburg during an era when nobody else would”

    There’s a color-blindness among new arrivals to Brooklyn. Hispanic people populated Williamsburg probably longer even than the Hasidim. In fact, there’s a long history of tension between the two groups, often over the Hispanics being shut out of city money. I’m tired of people using the phrase “nobody” as though Hispanics and blacks didn’t exist. Surprise: neighborhoods are in place before white people “discover” them.

  • Hey 2:39PM, while you posted the same thing three times, we were still imagining if it was a mosque-congregation taking on an identical order of events. Thanks though.

  • It looks like krap on the outside, but if it had Bosch appliances and Fresh Direct storage on the inside, you bitches would be over there in a heartbeat bidding above ask.

  • Maybe if it had Miele appliances. Still a stretch, though.

    Oh, and 2:56 pm, blacks weren’t the first to settle brooklyn, and neither were the hispanics. The original minorities were waves of poor Europeans (germans, poles, irish, italian). not exactly the “whites” you’re talking about, but still, if you’re gonna be color-correct, be color-correct.

  • 2.56, it was white before it was hispanic, but anyway.

    If you don’t vote, you don’t exist.

    The Hasidim are effective becuase they vote, and they work as a single voice, an actual community. (Rather than the “community” that everyone else refers to when they actually mean “the people living in area x”, which is not the same thing).

  • I read in the Times a few years ago that a Hassidim community in Queens voted as a single block in elections. As a result, their political clout was hugely disproportionate to their size. If that’s the case here (and I’d love to know if it is), no wonder our spineless pols let them get away with behavior that the rest of us couldn’t.

  • “It looks like krap on the outside, but if it had Bosch appliances and Fresh Direct storage on the inside, you bitches would be over there in a heartbeat bidding above ask.”

    Oops, there it is!!

  • Freddy is the only one to speak the truth today. Everyone else is just spewing hate.

  • Question – and this is a serious one – why do they put those bars on their windows. I too tried to ask someone while walking in W’burg not too long ago, and my question wasn’t well received.

    I understand having bars on the ground floor, but on the fourth when the only person that could break in would be Spiderman doesn’t make sense.

    I assume it is for some religious reason. Can someone please explain?

  • Form and Content joined at hip with this building.
    Anyway, one hopes the minor local politicians as well as the mayor and city council people will slam DOB on this one and god-willing DOB will paper that building with violations till the weight of the violations cause the building to collapse, when no one is there.

  • I give it 6 months and it will be a loft conversion.
    Aptsandlofts.com will market it as “hasid-chic” and “a short walk away from the Bedford ave nightlife”

  • Form and Content joined at hip with this building.
    Anyway, one hopes the minor local politicians as well as the mayor and city council people will slam DOB on this one and god-willing DOB will paper that building with violations till the weight of the violations cause the building to collapse, when no one is there.

  • Maybe if folks are so exercised by this poorly designed and perhaps illegal building, they should just call the NYFD several times to see if an inspection by NYFD causes it to either be shut down or maybe it is built so poorly that the NYFD will spray paint on the building one of those florescent squares with diagonals which represent that building is unsafe for firemen to enter if a fire came. That is a general kiss of death on a building but may first require DOB to show its toothless anger and start to violate this building.

  • Maybe if folks are so exercised by this poorly designed and perhaps illegal building, they should just call the NYFD several times to see if an inspection by NYFD causes it to either be shut down or maybe it is built so poorly that the NYFD will spray paint on the building one of those florescent squares with diagonals which represent that building is unsafe for firemen to enter if a fire came. That is a general kiss of death on a building but may first require DOB to show its toothless anger and start to violate this building.

  • Form and Content joined at hip with this building.
    Anyway, one hopes the minor local politicians as well as the mayor and city council people will slam DOB on this one and god-willing DOB will paper that building with violations till the weight of the violations cause the building to collapse, when no one is there.

  • I say put it to the above mentioned match-test and if it’s really God’s house, then He won’t let it burn. Ha ha.

    And that’s not just for this building, but for any structure, religious or not, that has a printed wrapper showing on the facade.

  • Best post above:

    “The poor Hasidim, nobody likes them. least of all other Jewish people. They are like the polygamist Mormons. But more urban. And with a lot more dough.
    I don’t care what they do, they stay out of my way, I stay out of their way.
    At least they don’t preach at the top of their lungs in the subways.”

    For me, the Hasidim are really, really strange. It’s remarkable that they manage to live so cut off from others, so insular, in an urban setting.

    Also, the fact that they go around in the garb of 18th century polish noblemen is kind of amazing to me. Even in Israel, in the desert, they wear big fur hats. Think about it — descendents of a Middle Eastern tribe wander across the globe, pick up certain sartorial habits in central europe, then return to their cultural cradle but hang on to the clothes. Weird.

  • I think they’re kinda cool. The Satmar hasidim, which I’m assuming these dudes are, dont believe in violence, are anti-zionist, and don’t believe in rebelling against the government of any country they live in — it’s like a silent pact, “Let us live here as we wish, and we won’t get in your face, we won’t rise up against you.” The whole ugly building thing may be an ascetic decision, not an AESTHETIC one: They choose to deny themselves physical temptations (even nice looking buildings).

    I’m digging these folks. I just wish they would make their structures SAFER.

  • Two things 6:28 –

    (1) don’t believe in violence? They beat each other up in fistfights over the Satmar brothers schism.

    (2) The building isn’t ugly – it’s in violation of code in many, many dangerous ways. Although you may have been talking about the buildings they put up in general, as opposed to this specific one.

  • 1. fistfights and bloodshed throughout the middle east are two different things.

    2. Yes, as i said, it would be good if they actually built them to be safe, ie to code. The ugliness argument is just one I was making in response to the entire thread.

    3. chill EJ

  • How hassidic political clout works;
    -take 50,000 or so people who will act like robots and do whatever the leader tells them to do.
    -use the financial leverage of this large group of people working towards a single goal to buy property, businesses and trades. (sort of like an ant colony with a religious agenda)
    -use this potential voting block to curry favor with political interests; namely the Democratic party (this is New York).Who remembers the famous Clinton pardons in the upstate hassidic community?
    -use this voting block to vote in members of your own community to add additional clout to your political interests.
    -when dealing with city and state mandates over interests like housing laws, welfare laws, banking law or health laws; simply apply the voting block pressure to gain preferrential treatment in all of the above. All the while garnering the ire of less robotic populations who, while less cohesive, still enjoy the full freedom of expression guaranteed them by the constitution and don’t have to wear a fur hat in NYC on a 98degree day in August. But hey, this kind of stuff goes on in other religious cults as well. nothing new.

  • i find this posting quite offensive. we can go around the borough looking at churches and mosques and see similar situations. i’m quite surprised that this blog would stoop to stereotypes. the only thing you left out is that they control the media and money. i trusted you to have better journalistic instincts. think about it.

  • Churches and mosques?
    Hello?
    It is practically illegal to be Roman Catholic in NYC any more.
    People are afraid of offending Islam
    because they do not want to be blown up
    by a 16-year old who has found the ultimate cure for acne.
    their is no similarity.
    The Hasids have the pols by the nuts because the vote all as one.
    They have long been a thorn in the side of Israel, yes Brooklyn jews are hated there, and they are a pain in the ass here, get real.

  • I agree Brownstoner has called out developers of all creeds and ethnicities BUT…

    “Is the political clout of THE HASIDIM so great that they can just skate by for a year…”

    It’s not all Hasidim, collectively, who are building this craphole. It’s this group of Hasidim.

    I’m sure it was unintentional, but it’s different only in degree from saying “the political clout of the Jews…” Cite the people acting, not the whole group.

    If it is intentional–if Brownstoner has some collective beef with the behavior of all Hasidim–then he needs to back that up.

    Otherwise I agree with the post.

  • Guess I’ve been living in a bubble… I thought I was the only one in B’klyn upset that this area of the borough is a dump. It’s not a religious issue; it’s an issue of people who don’t take pride in their surroundings or have respect for others. I could say the same about whoever tosses chicken bones on the sidewalk in my Clinton Hill neighborhood. Let’s have some pride, people. Let’s be good neighbors.

  • Because I have to get the last word in–re it was white before it was Hispanic–I was responding to a comment about who lived in Wmsburg in the 1970s and 1980s. Your “corrections” were not correct.

  • Also, I think those fluorescent squares with Xs through them mean there is no staircase in the building (usually a sign of a dangerous building but not signifying the bldg is too dangerous to enter).

  • I’m losing track of who’s writing what, but please stop criticizing what the Hasidim wear. They wear what they wear because it’s tradition. Ever see Fiddler On The Roof? Anyway SPer at 6:06, who are you to impose your beliefs on these people? If they want to dress like 18th century Polish noblemen, so what? What the hell is it to you? You take a discussion about a fugly Brooklyn building and turn it into a critique of someone else’s culture. You, sir, are a douche!

  • The fact is the Hasidics are surronded by groups who loathe them. To the North the anti semitic Poles,and on their two other sides blacks and latinos and hipsters and other jews etc…Since they need to grow as a community and stay near their shul they of course “own” CB1 and every politico they can buy or rent so they can land re zoned. BED STUY is a big battleground right now. Also they re zone for their “condo work” which offers Scarano and cheap mexican labor to design and build!

  • The fact is the Hasidics are surronded by groups who loathe them. To the North the anti semitic Poles,and on their two other sides blacks and latinos and hipsters and other jews etc…Since they need to grow as a community and stay near their shul they of course “own” CB1 and every politico they can buy or rent so they can land re zoned. BED STUY is a big battleground right now. Also they re zone for their “condo work” which offers Scarano and cheap mexican labor to design and build!

  • The fact is the Hasidics are surronded by groups who loathe them. To the North the anti semitic Poles,and on their two other sides blacks and latinos and hipsters and other jews etc…Since they need to grow as a community and stay near their shul they of course “own” CB1 and every politico they can buy or rent so they can land re zoned. BED STUY is a big battleground right now. Also they re zone for their “condo work” which offers Scarano and cheap mexican labor to design and build!

  • Wow… I made some comments earlier about how ugly and unsafe the building is and how the Hasidim alienate themselves from the rest of the city through their behavior, but I will defend ANY group’s right to dress as they wish.

    I don’t care if your religion requires that you outfit yourself with a bright orange chicken suit or gold hotpants and nails through your hands and feet – as long as you’re not endangering anyone else, then go for it.

    Just because a group wants to wear fur hats in August, go ahead and let them. The worst that will come of it is you may have to stand next to them on the subway (phew!).

    They don’t criticize your dirty sneakers, “premium” denim and trucker hat circa 2004 so don’t say anything about their well-tailored suits.

    Now, their unsafe, ugly buildings are another story…

  • Can anyone of all u OUTRAGED citizens tell me what is so unsafe about this building that u r so concerned about. No one of u described any of the unsafe conditions, but u r all ready to trash the Hasidim whenever u just find any opportunity to do so. all u do is just show your hate and jealousy against other citizens that perhaps might be more successful then u r.
    S H A M E O N Y O U !

  • Ishmael you are a dumb a**, any way,

    They have not allowed access to the building to assess whether an unsafe condition exists or not. That would lead me to believe that everything may not be up to par. What is most troubling is that this building might be housing a school. I wouldn’t care if this were a Catholic school, Muslim School or otherwise. The inspectors must be let in. All children must have a safe learning environment. I think that it is being used as a school because I pass it everyday on my way home from work and it appears as though students are being dismissed.

  • now will all understand why we in CB1 and the williamsburg community should have stopped all you yuppies, junkies and people who are trying to find themselfs move into the lofts in williamsburg.

    you schmucks and whores try to pull this crap and write this s— in Harlem r Bed Stuy r any other neighborhood and they would run you out of town.

    if you hate the Jewish people, go back where you came from and find your father,
    “who is your daddy” I’m sure most of the comments are written by people who broke many laws, and have sniffed and smoked the stuff while drunk.,

    so go get a life, cause we are here to stay and there will be payback time.

    the only thing you contribute to this community is open another bar.

    some of you should put a condom on your head

  • Schaefer: PLEASE don’t mention whores and hasidim in the same post. People might start a whole new thread that would really get ugly.

  • Schaefer,

    Comments like yours don’t help your cause. In the words of the famous philosopher Rodney King “Caaain’t we aaall just get aloong?!!!

  • What a stomach turning bunch on this thread. The venom is amazing- and the worst of it is that you are so nose up our own butts you can’t even see the anti-semitism you’re spewing. This isn’t about a building- it’s about Brownstoner letting his blog be used a a venue for some of the most anti-semitic crap I’ve ever heard and morons proceeding to take advantage of it.

    Hasidim, for those ignorant ranters (and there are quite a few here), are not a cult or wackos. They are a branch of Judaism who are fundamentalist in their beliefs. All you self-righteous Christians and Muslims out there can tolerate those 2 single most destructive entities in the history of Western Civilization because, hey! they believe like you do- but Jews? Jews who unlike Christian fundamentalists don’t make anyone drink Kool-aid, torch their farmhouses with their women and children inside, build concentration camps, blow themselves and their families up in car bombs, go on Crusades, or fly planes into tall buildings. Oh no-in the spirit of free religious market enterprise- Christians and Muslims have long ago cornered the wacko market.

    What the Hasidim do that pisses you all off is form an effective political and social group because they know how to work together and they vote. They know how to be effective- and that’s the thing you hate. Because you don’t. Not “can’t”- don’t.

    I’m the last one to say I don’t have problems with some of the things the Hasidim do, but frankly, there are loads of groups who do far worse things than put up unattractive buildings, provide housing for their members, and work together as a community. And while you, Brownstoner can pat yourself on the back for providing the world with another ugly discussion. Sure, you’ve provided a venue to rat out bad developers and such, but nowhere else have you allowed it so completely to degenerate into such an ugly discussion worthy of Nazi Germany.

    anger vented on this one building is totally out of proportion- where are all the ranters to bitch about the little evangelical death traps packed to the rafters every Sunday? All the beautiful buildings full of incredible architectural detail decimated by uncaring congregations and now covered with humongous, extremely ugly signs announcing for all to see how tasteless they can be. And you think the Hasidic put up ugly buildings? What’s next on Brownstoner? What’s the best fabric for your Brown shirt?

  • Hey 11:23, I see your point about the venom, and yes, the Hasids (and especially the Satmar) are not well understood by most New Yorkers (especially secular Jews, may of which have left comments on here you would deem anti-semetic)… but Nazi Germany? C’mon. I hate it when people pull the Nazis or Hitler out of their back pocket and place it on something as benign as a blog about ugly buildings. It lessens the really bad things the Nazis and Hitler did…

    …and by the way, this building is ugly and unsafe, and the political clout of this particular group of people in their district has prevented proper legal action from being taken. That is not anti-semetic. That is a fact.

    …and also, while there are a lot of interesting, unique, admirable things the Hasidic communities do (support one another, maintain traditions, strong family ties, etc.) there is also a lot of things they do that are fucked up and wrong… just like any religious group, especially fundamentalists.

    … lastly (and then I’ll stop, promise) I think it is aggressive and hostile to live in the biggest melting pot of cultures in the world and to totally shut out everything and everyone else around you. You live in NYC, and you have to/ get to deal with everyone else’s culture up in your face. No fair to shut it out.

  • comparing the offensive comments on this board to the Nazis is retarded (and saying ‘retarded,’ as I just did, is offensive, but not as offensive as murdering people because they are retarded, like the Nazis did)

  • Well said 4:03. Christians and Muslims do not have a corner on doing F****d up things. You’ll find the crazy and deranged among us all. God, Allah, Jehovah, Yahweh, Buddah, Muhammad, Bahai’, Dios, Jesus, and whoever made us that way.

  • Dear Brownstoner

    This is the second attempt by you on this website to bad mouth the community and this Synagogue
    But in the process it is becoming clear that we are dealing with a big fat anti-Semitic person who is an Certified ass as well

    Your saying that in middle of construction one worker was seriously injured
    The fact is that the worker was released from the hospital after two hours

    You keep on saying that you checked government records about this building
    So how come you got such an important fact about the size of the building wrong
    Its not 17000 sq feet its 12000 just proving a point that your full of shit

    “Irony of all ironies: the synagogue is next door to a fire station” what’s your problem
    How about they meet all fire department guidelines that’s to much for your little anti-Semitic mind to digest

    “They have been denying access to building inspectors”
    Another fact made up by your little mind I owe a house building inspectors
    Can not be denied access to a building you just made it up didn’t you ?

    Please next time use one of the k.k.k. sites to share your bs opinions