Green Roof Reno
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September 30, 2008
Back on Track

So . . . we're back from a summer hiatus – and things did happen – for one, our structural engineer said that the roof could hold the additional weight of an extensive green roof – about 12–15 lbs/sqft. As you may remember we are planning a green roof and deck for our private rooftop in our co-op building in Park Slope, Brooklyn. As far as the wood deck part of the design goes, after doing everything in our power to avoid having to use steel for the structure, it seems to be our only option at this point. The positive side of things is that using steel allows us to accommodate a lot more plant material – like vegetables, shrubs and even trees.
Another summer surprise is that, I became our new co-op president! I was fortunate (or unfortunate, depending on how you view the new load of responsibility) to have the departing co-op president lobby the other building shareholders on my behalf.
In any case, the new responsibility of managing the building required me to dig through the building’s pile of halfheartedly organized records – meeting minutes, old boiler info, tax documents and the like. In the most recent building inspection report I came across a full assessment of the roof condition that had been conducted in 2006. The recommendation from this inspection was to replace the roof in its entirety. At the time, in true short-sighted fashion, the co-op board decided only to patch up certain parts of the roof, leaving the long-term plan for the next group to deal with.
Our roof was installed about 15 years ago with no warranty (at least not that anyone is aware of), by a company that no longer exists. Water damage has been reported before and recently in my own observations I have noticed some bubbling up of the paint on the fourth floor hall ceiling. The roof membrane does look cracked in certain areas – specifically around certain roof penetrations and the central bulkhead. So, for our plans, what this means is that the co-op needs to install a new roof prior to us moving forward with the deck or green roof installation.
So although this throws a wrench in our timetable, we feel better knowing a new roof and waterproofing layer will be installed. Typical EPDM roofs can have about a 15 year lifespan. Putting a green roof on top of a newly installed EPDM roof will extend the life of the typical roof by two to three times – this long-term “payback” of saving on the cost of a future replacement roof is one of the bigger economic incentives green roofs have to offer. We’ll be getting roofing estimates over the next week or so – if you have any recommendations for trusted roofers we would appreciate it . . .

Due to the rapidly approaching winter, we have decided to do a “Phase One” green roof installation. With twenty 2ft x 2ft anodized aluminum trays, we will create a series of test plots. This is by no means a real integrated green roof like you would normally find – just a testing ground, a little flair, a small intervention of 80 sq ft of green onto a rooftop in Brooklyn - hey - you’ve got to start somewhere. Plus, we’ll be able to move these trays temporarily while the new roof gets installed.
This will be an experiment of sorts, to see how different plants respond to the overwintering and harsh roof conditions. The planting time is also rather late in the season and may affect the success of the plants. Technically the frost date isn’t until mid-November, but realistically the sooner the plants get established to the new soil and conditions the more plants will survive the cold winter months. We have chosen a variety of sedums, sempervivums, and delosperma as the guinea pigs. The trays are on a UPS truck as I write and we eagerly await their safe arrival . . .
Finally, some good news, as many of you I am sure know, NY State has passed a green roof initiative. Property owners will now receive a $4.50/sqft property tax abatement for every square foot of garden or green roof they install. Sponsored by Assemblyman Ruben Diaz of the South Bronx, this new initiative is a step in the right direction for Albany lawmakers. Although it is not nearly enough to boost this emerging green market, it is a start.
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GRG, I like Basonas Construction for roofs. basonas@aol.com. Tell him I sent you.
I attended an interesting BOMA presentation a few weeks ago on the 'greening' of One Bryant Park, and the architects also mentioned that they had done a 'green roof' on their own office space. The thing that grabbed my attention was that they used some kind of 'bag'system. This allowed them to simply pick up and move the bags when they had a roof problem (which they did).
Posted by: denton at September 30, 2008 2:56 PM
"NY State has passed a green roof initiative. Property owners will now receive a $4.50/sqft property tax abatement for every square foot of garden or green roof they install."
I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that if I install, say, 1,000 feet of green roof, I get $4.50 discounted for every square foot? So I get $4,500 off my property taxes? That's a heck of a discount. Or am I misunderstanding?
And is that an annual discount or just a one-time thing to cover installation cost?
Also, who deems it a "green roof"?
Posted by: PeterSteinberg at October 1, 2008 5:09 PM
what a waste of time
Posted by: slumlord at October 1, 2008 6:10 PM
denton - Thanks for the recommendation - I'll check it out.
The project I think you are referring to was done by Cook and Fox architects. They installed the green paks system from a company called Green Roof Blocks - basically it is just soil in a bag and then you plant the bag once it is on the roof. It's as basic as you can get and most people in the industry would not recommend that product. First of all you can see the black bag. Secondly, the plants don't have a lot of soil room to spread out laterally.
I still think it looks nice though . . . check it out
http://www.greenroofs.com/projects/pview.php?id=670
Posted by: Green Roof Guy at October 1, 2008 6:57 PM
Peter - Yes - that is correct.
The green roof tax abatement provides for an abatement of $4.50 per square foot, up to $100,000. You would get a one-time property tax abatement to cover installation costs. It is anticipated that this abatement would cover 25% of the installation cost of the green roof - with most applications costing about $20/sqft.
In terms of who deems it "green", I am not entirely sure how this is going to be handled yet. Eventually it will be an accredited Green Roof Professional but this accreditation test is still in development but is expected to be offered in 2009.
Posted by: Green Roof Guy at October 1, 2008 7:14 PM
Great roofer:
Mactech
718-871-0044
mactechroofing(at)gmail.com
Ask for Maciek.
Posted by: Action Jackson at October 1, 2008 7:31 PM
BTW, and pardon me for not reading older reno blog posts, which landscape architect or green-roof person are you working with? Or is this your own baby? (well, financially it is yours, either way)
Posted by: Action Jackson at October 1, 2008 7:33 PM
I am a landscape architect and green roof designer - If you want, check out my website below:
www.futuregreenstudio.com
And yes, this is my own baby and financially we are trying to do things as cost-effectively as possible. . .We're excited about sharing our way of negotiating the costs, design and environmental factors of this project.
Posted by: Green Roof Guy at October 8, 2008 1:55 PM

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