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April 22, 2008
Into the Ceiling
So even though Spring is here . . . We're still inside trying to figure things out. Our next step was to determine the structural load capability of the roof in order to determine how to proceed with getting the deck and green roof built. So we had to go into the ceiling and look at the beams.
I was excited to inspect the roof from below – to see the size and condition of the beams holding up our roof and measure their spacing. I choose the side of the skylight to cut into the drywall so that it would be least intrusive. It would also allow us to look above the ceiling without actually cutting into it. After removing a 10” x 18” drywall piece in the side of the skylight niche, I caught a faceful of some really old air. I mean who knows when this space was last open?

What we found was true 3” x 7” beams that are spaced 24” apart on center. From what I understand this is not great news . . . the depth of the beam is the key number here and seven is just not that impressive. New wood decks are often framed off of 2x12s spaced 18” to 24” on center . . . in other words with a lot more load capability.
On the positive side, the quality and integrity of the beams seemed intact; with no dampness etc., though one of the beams looks like it had some water staining at some point. Everything up there now seems dry as a bone. We actually have about 12 inches of space between the ceiling and the roof, which means we could raise our ceilings if we wanted to. Right now, it’s not even a consideration, with all our money and resources devoted to the green roof project.

One key thing to note, the load-bearing walls do not extend to the ceiling (12 feet) but stop at the fourth floor ceiling (11 feet). In this case, the load-bearing walls are the interior walls that run down the center of the building separating our apartment from our 4th floor neighbor. So what that means is that we will consider cutting into the roof and building up that load bearing wall to form a 2’ high parapet in middle of the roof. We would then frame the deck, and if need be, the green roof off this parapet and the side parapet.
But, we still have a lot of questions - What can we expect to pay for building up a 2’ parapet from the load bearing wall? How does this differ price-wise from using steel? We would like to still consider using steel, but want to know the price differential between these options. Is steel two times more expensive or ten times more expensive? Will the 3x7s at 24 inches on center be enough to support the 17 lbs/sq ft of the green roof modules?
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Comments
What a waste of time and money
Posted by: guest at April 23, 2008 3:34 PM
DOPE! that is so harsh. I am very impressed you are doing this, although it sounds like quite a slog - kind of discourages me from my own vague fantasies of putting in a green roof...
Posted by: guest at April 23, 2008 4:04 PM
it's a hell of a lot of work, but if you succeed in doing this green roof, you will have accomplished a lot. And something about your tenacity makes me think you'll get there...
Posted by: guest at April 23, 2008 4:14 PM
keep the posts coming and please don't let the haters dampen your spirits. I love hearing the nuts and bolts of this process so at least I understand the process instead of just dreaming and speculating.
thanks and good luck. I was just on a green roof this afternoon and think when all is said and done you'll be in heaven.
Posted by: guest at April 23, 2008 4:15 PM
so wait, what you're saying is you're going to continue your load bearing wall up to the roof? and then you're going to build a parapet on top of that in the middle of your roof? i don't really understand what you're describing. parapet walls usually go up on the edges of the roof as fire barriers between buildings. building up the load bearing wall makes sense since you will relieve the span weight on those joists. but what you describe makes no sense to me.
our house has 3" x 7" joists on varied centers, some are 17" and some are as far apart as 22", possibly 24" although i haven't found any spaced that far yet. as i understand it this is common in old houses.
Posted by: guest at April 24, 2008 7:25 AM

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